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Influence of the Vampire
This week, the boys talk about the influences of F.W. Murnau's Nosferatu, how a 100 year old ripoff of Dracula has become one of the most influential films in cinema history, and how this very particular take on Dracula is still haunting to this day.
But before that, the boys review Y2K, Kraven the Hunter, Flow, The Piano Lesson, The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim, The Day The Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes Movie, Carnage for Christmas, Carry On, Correia loses his mind looking into Mormon beliefs on bigfoot and straight to video sequels to Butterfly Effect and The Prophecy, Jay finally basks in the glory of Katheryn Hunter's performance in The Front Room, and Jacob finally gets a The Keep on 4K.
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Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official podcast of eye horror.com this is episode 139 otherwise known as season seven, Episode 20. I'm your host, James Jay Edwards, and with me, as always, is your other host, Jacob Davison, how you doing? Jacob,
Jacob Davidson:doing okay. I'm back for my trip on the East Coast and back in California.
James Jay Edwards:You're back in present time. You're not in the future anymore. Yeah, I love that joke. Also with us, as always, is your other other host, Jon Correia, how you doing Correia?
Jonathan Correia:Oh, doing great. I've been doing my manic swings. And the last few days it's been, you know, the swings and roundabouts, and it's been on the low end of it. So I've been doing a lot of doom scrolling, which has led to, like, wormholes and black holes of threads. And this morning's thread was how Mormons believe in Bigfoot. I should state some Mormons believed in Bigfoot, and that the church is because I it did end. I did end up on the Mormon website, and their statement on Bigfoot, or cryptozoology, was that the church has no official statement on Bigfoot, though several church leaders were reportedly to be open to the possibility of The Bear Lake monster. However, modern church leaders never discuss the subject, and that's a lot of the verbiage on their site is there was possibility in the past, but modern people don't talk about this stuff. But yeah, when you go down the rabbit hole of like, why some Mormons believed in Bigfoot, and you learn that it's because of their belief of of like, Cain and the Mark of Cain, you quickly start to realize it's racist. It's just racist, and modern Mormonism is trying to distance itself from that. So
James Jay Edwards:why wouldn't they believe in Bigfoot? Because he's real. Well,
Jonathan Correia:the train of thought with it was, Cain was a bad guy. You know, Cain killed Abel. He's a bad guy. He was marked with the Mark of Cain. And in Mormonism, for the longest time, it was skin pigmentation. So they believed that black people were descendants of Cain. And so in there's like a verse or something where they said that it was black and covered in hair. And so some Mormons interpreted because a lot of Mormonism takes place in North America, that's Bigfoot. And so Bigfoot is Cain walking the earth. Now the modern church does not believe that Cain is still wandering the earth. You know, their official statement is probably not different traditions have them dying in various contexts, but you know, you can't, you can't bury old timey racism, especially when it's tied to something weird. But how great would it have been in Heretic if Hugh Grant was just like, so Do you guys believe in Bigfoot? You know? Like, I think if, if you had that discussion coupled with his jar, Jar Binks impression movie of the year.
James Jay Edwards:Ah, yeah, oh, that would have been that would rule. All that movie needed was Bigfoot.
Jacob Davidson:Like, what if Bigfoot showed up in the basement? Granted,
James Jay Edwards:all any movie really needs is Bigfoot. I was
Jonathan Correia:about to say, that's a, that's a pretty good, like, blanket critique. What
Jacob Davidson:if Hugh Grant had saxsquash in the basement? Oh, if
James Jay Edwards:the score was by saxSquatch, oh, oh,
Jacob Davidson:that would have been great. Could have happened. So
James Jay Edwards:what's been going on? What do you guys been seeing? Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:I've been catching up on a bunch of stuff. I saw that A24, movie, Y2k, do you guys see that? No, not yet. Oh, man, it was so good. It's basically this horror comedy from Kyle Mooney, who did like Brigsby Bear, and he was like a writer in SNL for a long time. And it's a period movie about these two friends who are kind of losers on New Year's Eve 1999 who go to, like this big party. And it starts out kind of like as a Can't Hardly Wait party film, but then, you know, it's midnight, and why 2k actually happens in this version of Night of the 90s. And it's like Maximum Overdrive, where all the machines start, start combining and killing people, like Tamagotchi with a flame thrower roasts guy's head and like a automatic bed crush as a dude. So it's, you know, it knows the movie it wants to be, and it has an incredible period soundtrack, with the most prevalent being Limp Biscuit and a lot of nu metal and rap metal. Fred Durst was in it too, right? Yes, he a, I didn't want to spoil it, but yeah, Fred Durst gets two A24 appearances. This year, and they're both bangers. Between this and I Saw the TV Glow.
James Jay Edwards:Fred Durst, you know, it's funny because he's he actually has directed a couple of really good movies too. I'm for anything that keeps him from making music. Like I'll go see him act or direct. You know, the same thing with Mark Wahlberg. I'll go see all his as long as he doesn't bring back the Funky Bunch.
Jonathan Correia:I'll go go eat at wahlbergers Every day, two meals, if it prevents him from making any more music you didn't like the Funky Bunch.
James Jay Edwards:Good Vibrations was actually good but, but the song where he ripped off. Lou Reed, the what is it? The wild side. You know that one was not as good. I
Jacob Davidson:mean, that's thing. Fred Durst is really getting a foot in the door in cinema this year between, you know, I saw TV glow and Y2K and, who knows, maybe he'll be in the next Ari Aster movie.
James Jay Edwards:Have Have you guys seen this? This might be the week's bomb. Have either you seen Kraven the Hunter? No,
Jonathan Correia:no, but I did see the images of chameleon and Rhino and purple
Jacob Davidson:Rhino. Wait, he's purple.
Jonathan Correia:He's purple. He's kind of grayish purple. It's more the face that I was just like, Oh, I see why you didn't show it in the in the trailers, he
James Jay Edwards:Okay, Kraven is like, It's Madam Webb bad. It is bad. And it makes me think that Sony just doesn't give a fuck about these properties they have for Marvel. I
Jacob Davidson:mean, it's over, like they're ending the Sony Marvel Universe, yeah,
James Jay Edwards:and they just don't care, which is kind of sad, because Kraven is a great character. Even the Aaron Taylor Johnson Kraven could be, you know, a good character, but this movie is really bad it. Um, they even kind of ruined Rhino. I mean, rhino is a great character, but the way that they have that, the way that they did him, is kind of bad too, but yeah, also chameleons in it. And then there's a character that I'm not even familiar with, the foreigner. Is he like a real spider man villain? I think he's like a lesser known Yeah, I was. I mean, I'm not super into the comics, but
Jonathan Correia:like the Jackie Chan movie,
James Jay Edwards:no, he, this is a guy. He seems to be able to kind of teleport or play with time, because he'll do this thing where he's about to kill someone, and he'll go three, two, and then he'll, like, be in another place, and he kills him. It's, it's currently but he was probably the most interesting character in this.
Jonathan Correia:I just fundamentally, and I hate being that guy that's like, Ah, you're not doing the comics justice, like, based off of, like, very early information, but, like, the first thing they released was an interview with Aaron Taylor. He's like, Yeah, he's, he's a fighter for animal rights. And I was like, that is fundamentally not Kraven the hunter. Kraven the hunter was such, like a piece of shit when it came to hunting animals, that when he heard that there was a possibility of a spider human hybrid. He was like, great. Another thing for me to kill that's rare. I'm gonna go kill that one thing. And they're like, but that's a person. He's like, nope. He's his spider-man. That means he's an animal. I'm gonna go hunt him in New York City.
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, he he is, kind of, they do kind of introduce him as, like, the protector of animals. Like his big thing is he goes after poachers who are stealing the horns off of the bison and stuff. Which brings me to another thing, the CG animals in Kraven the hunter are horrible, horrible, like I've seen, I've seen better CG effects out of film students. Yeah, it's just, it's just not good, and I think that probably anyone who wanted to see it has seen it by now. And I think that the cinema scores and the Rotten Tomatoes, everything has reflected what I'm saying right now. So this isn't really a shock, but yeah, Kraven is bad. Well,
Jonathan Correia:I've been trying to work my way through blurays I've owned for forever, but never watched, which has led to some like, really weird like marathons. First I watched all of the Barbershop movies, which such a delight. Beauty Shop especially is probably my favorite right now. But this is a horror podcast. I watched the straight to video, or the two back to back, straight to video, sequels to The Prophecy,
Prophecy: Forsaken and Prophecy:Uprising.
James Jay Edwards:Is this the Christer, the Christopher Walken prophecy. This
Jonathan Correia:is that franchise, but he's not in these ones.
Jacob Davidson:Okay, that's after the original trilogy. They he's not in those. Okay, yeah, and you
Jonathan Correia:don't need to just, just, no, just know that was Miramax. Just like, you know, milking that IP, yeah, what was, what were those, like the last few, uh, Hellraiser movies that were straight to video, that didn't even have Doug Bradley in them. It was that level, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:Revelations or something, yeah.
Jonathan Correia:Just don't, don't even just get the the 4k trilogy set from Vinegar Syndrome, and be happy, because that trilogy rules those the four and five are horrible. Um. Um, I did watch Butterfly Effect for the first time in years that I watched the directors cut, which is the, which is the superior cut, because it has so much infanticide in it. It's fantastic. I love it. It was, it was, I was surprised on, like, how, like, non linear, a lot of, like, the character stuff was happening in that movie. I was, like, this movie smarter than it, kind of like was advertised as, I
James Jay Edwards:love The Butterfly Effect. It's one of my favorite it's probably in my top 10, like, all time. And it is great, right? It's very well written. And the thing is, you it takes some figuring out on the viewers part, which, which I love, you know, you it's like, at one point you're like, oh, that's why he was blacking out. You know,
Jonathan Correia:yeah, Ashton Kutcher is not even in it until, like, 40 minutes into the movie, which is great.
James Jay Edwards:And the cut you're talking about, it has a different ending, which is, like, dark. It's great. I mean, it's, I mean, this movie is 20 years old, but I still don't want to spoil this if you have not seen the original ending and you want to be depressed.
Jonathan Correia:I loved it. I liked it more than the because I watched a lot of the other endings. I will say there is still some really bad dialog or really bad moments in it, like, there's that one scene where Ashley kuch is having a moment where he's like, he's like, You're not acting like you meant. I don't even know who I am. It's like, Oh, stop. Or that sex scene, that sex scene was there was like one sex scene where it's, it's when he goes back and he becomes a frat boy, and like, the girl he loves is now his girlfriend, but she's a sorority, and they have sex. And it's just like the it's just a horribly shot sex scene, but not as bad of a sex scene as The Butterfly Effect 2. That's right. Another straight to video that Correia
Jacob Davidson:watched. Weren't there? Like, two sequels into the butterfly effect
Jonathan Correia:there is, but I'm stopping myself now, because two was so fucking bad and had an even worse sex scene. And I'm just like, You know what? We don't need to watch Revelations.
James Jay Edwards:I haven't seen any of The Butterfly Effect sequels because I don't want it to ruin The Butterfly Effect for me. Because I love the butterfly effect.
Jonathan Correia:It's not going to ruin it, because it all the nuances, all the because The Butterfly Effect was really good about like, what the changes were, what caused him, the blackout and stuff the at least with two, it was just very much so a straightforward, like, oh, like, the guy starts going back in time to try to improve him his life, and it becomes a Wall Street douche bag because of it, it's, it's dumb, it's, yeah, no reason at all. So anyways, I just wanted to trash on those straight to video movies, to be honest. But Have either of you
seen The Lord of the Rings:The War of the Rohirrim?
Jacob Davidson:yes. And it was good. It was really good. Yeah, what did you take, Jacob? I really loved it. Um, you know, I I'm not that, you know, I saw, you know, the original Lord of the Rings movies. I saw the Hobbit movies, and I actually read The Hobbit when I was a kid. But I wouldn't consider myself a huge Tolkien fan, but was, beauty is fantastic movie, and it was a such a cool idea to do an anime Lord of the Rings or Tolkien adaptation spin off. So every because it Tolkien has had a massive influence in Japanese fantasy, like, like back in the old days, like, there was this anime that was on the Sci Fi Channel called The Record of the Lodoss War that had a very heavy Tolkien influence among others. But, yeah, no, it looked really good, and it was very compelling. I saw it in IMAX. And, yeah, it was stunning. I really enjoyed it. Oh
Jonathan Correia:yeah, I made the joke before seeing it, going, Yeah, I'm really looking forward to a Lord of the Rings movie that's about humans, because humans were the most interesting part of the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit books, which was a joke. I was excited to see it, could be, because the world building and everything in it is so good, and it takes place in a time that's not really explored. And they even said in the very beginning that, do you know the story? You don't know the story of Herra, because there's no songs about her. And I thought that was really cool, and it was, it was really interesting to be in this very big fantasy world, and to be in that very grounded, this is just a war story, and the animation was fantastic. There was, I think they really took in a lot of influence of like the Bakshi Lord of the Rings animated film, because there were some animation movements that were very rotoscopy. Yeah, I've noticed that too. Also, I love the casting. Like Brian Cox is King hammer hand like that ass. He was great, just beating the shit out, people. But also, Herra was a badass character. She was serving face. She was serving like, she like I was in the theater, just snapping my fingers all the time, especially when she goes, I am betrothed to death. I was just like, Hell, yes, yes. And it that pissed me off, because she had so many icon scenes, and no one in the theater cheered, but a large group of people cheered at the fucking Nicole Kidman ad beforehand, because I saw it in AMC prime, and I was like, I hate you all.
Jacob Davidson:So I will say this, when I saw the movie and Herra said that she would marry No man, a bunch of women in my aisle started hooting and hollering, fuck yeah,
Jonathan Correia:dude. And she was so cool. She She, Jay, you got to see this movie. She punches a man in the throat with a shield like that was so brat. That was brat as fuck. They
James Jay Edwards:didn't give that an awards push so I didn't get to see it for awards voting. Yeah, but there is another animated movie I saw for awards voting that is going to end up on my top 10. It's not really horror, but it's called Flow. Have you guys heard about flow? I'm
Jacob Davidson:seeing it tonight. No, but, I mean, I've heard of it. I haven't seen it. Flow is
James Jay Edwards:so good. It's it's basically about a cat and a and he's got a bunch of other little furry and feathered compadres that there's a catastrophic flood, and these animals find themselves having to survive this flood like on a boat. And it is so this is this year's robot dreams, because I think it's Latvian. It's either Latvian or French, but it but, but it doesn't matter, because there's no dialog. It's all just watching these animals and and, and I was watching it at home, so I found myself, you know, talking to you swim, kitty, swim, swim, you know. But it is. It's really, really good, but it's not horror, but it is. It's a beautifully animated movie. Another thing for awards that I saw that isn't horror, but gets horror. Have you guys seen The Piano Lesson? No, no. I haven't even heard that one. It's on Netflix, and it starts out, it's about this black family in it's like post slavery, and they, they have this piano that, basically, the brother wants to sell this piano so he can get money to buy this land that this landowner just died. And the sister does not want to sell this piano because, you know, it's in the family, and she, you know, wants it. And it's, I mean, it's a pretty standard, you know, one of those movies, it feels like a play that they made into a movie, but the last 10 minutes goes full on ghost story. And I've heard people complaining about the last 10 minutes, but honestly, the last 10 minutes is what made the movie watchable for me, and that probably says more about me than the movie, but yeah, it goes full on ghost story in the last like 10 minutes. It's pretty fun. The last 10 minutes is
Jacob Davidson:all right. And on my end, I got speaking of awards pushes. I got to see the new, the new, fully animated Looney Tunes movie. Looney Tunes: The Day the Earth Blew Up with Porky Pig and Daffy Duck.
Jonathan Correia:Oh, yeah. How was it?
Jacob Davidson:It was so funny, like, it's amazing that we haven't gotten a fully animated Looney Tunes movie until 2024 because, yeah, no, I mean it. It's basically just a feature length, uh, Looney Tunes cartoon. It's, uh, Porky Pig and Daffy Duck lived together, and their roof gets wrecked, so they have to fix it, and it eventually just kind of snowballs into a disaster alien invasion movie with all kinds of slapstick and crazy stuff. And it is, yeah, it was so funny, like it really up, up the ante on the gags. And they also brought back a fairly obscure character, Petunia pig, who was kind of Porky's love interest from some of the earlier and kind of one off Looney Tunes cartoons in and that she plays a scientist. But the real highlight is they got Renfield himself, Peter McNichol, to play the alien invader. And look, just anytime Peter McNichol screeches, it's, it's comedy gold, you know, just anytime he yells his head off, I lose it. Just, you know, like, like, I loved his recurring role on Veep as Uncle Henry, just chewing out Jonah and this, yeah, he's a really angry alien.
Jonathan Correia:You, you, you say that it's, it's, it's doing an awards run right now. I might have to sneak in a screening at four, 720, tonight, at that level, because I think that is a lot. Today is last day it's playing, because with how Warner Brothers has been treating Looney Tunes lately, need to see it before it's never showed again. That's
Jacob Davidson:crazy thing too. Is that, like, apparently, with the production release history, it was originally, I think, going to go to streaming, and then Warner Brothers just kind of kicked the can down and kick the can down until a smaller company managed to buy it and release it for distribution.
Jonathan Correia:That's insane, because there has been, like, feature length movies for that featured Looney Tunes, you know, quack busters and others, but they were always made for like, TV or straight to video. So. Like,
Jacob Davidson:yeah, and a lot of them were compilations of earlier cartoons.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. I mean, Quackbusters is fucking fantastic. I've watched that a lot on Cartoon Network, so good. But yeah, no, I definitely want to support the shit out of that. So yeah, I might, I might. I wasn't going to spend any more money this week, but I'll buy a ticket for that. Hell
Jacob Davidson:yeah. I mean, I mean, it's either that or wait until February.
Jonathan Correia:I won't suppose, well, you should. It's the Companion issue all over again. The My first thought after we saw that screening of Companion was, oh, fuck, now I have to wait till the end of January to see it again, because I wanted to immediately see it again. Yeah, no, it was my problem too. Have
James Jay Edwards:you guys seen, it's on shudder, Carnage for Christmas. Yes,
Jacob Davidson:yes. I actually saw it back in April. I was at festival screening of it at Salem, horror fest.
James Jay Edwards:Oh, okay, it was at Salem, okay, yeah, it's, it's by the Allison, who that? Yeah, Alice Mayo McKay, who did T Blockers and Oh Bad Girl Boogie.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, I
James Jay Edwards:love her. She's great it. Well, here's the thing this movie, I'm kind of on the fence with it, because it's it's pretty what it's about, and I don't know if Jacob said this back then, but it's about a trans podcaster who goes home for Christmas, and her hometown, there's a an urban legend about a Santa killer and a toy maker. Yeah, yeah, a toy maker. And of course, when she gets there, the Santa killer comes back, starts killing people. So it's kind of like a mystery, which I guess a lot of the old, old school slashers were mysteries, you know, trying to figure out who the killer is. But my issue with it is there's so much of it is told through, like, dialog and discussions. You know, it's like, I don't know, everything is so spoon fed. The one thing that is really interesting about it is the look of it. It's really well shot. And also, when I was watching it, the editing is all like compositing, and there's all there's just, it's really well edited with just like visual effects and stuff. And when I was watching the credits, there's a reason why the editing and VFX looks so good. Because when I was watching the credits, what like the third credit is editing a VFX by Vera drew it was, yeah, so it kind of, it's not quite as flamboyant as the people's Joker. I mean, come on, the People's Joker is about someone, you know, dropping themselves into the Batman universe. So this is a little more subtle than that, but you can tell that it's like that same slick editing. And, you know, it's real jump Cutty and composity. But yeah, as far as the writing, I was just kind of like, you know, can't you let us figure some of this out ourselves? You know, I
Jacob Davidson:don't know. It was a bit expository, I recall, but yeah, I mean, although I really do, got to give out my own McKay credit, because she's been putting out, like so many horror movies at such a young age. Like, didn't she make her first movie at like 16 or something?
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, Alice's first short film was 2019 and so since 2019 Alice has made 10 films.
James Jay Edwards:That's like two a year. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:that was a short in 2019 that was, that was A Tale of the Laundry Game, followed by Tooth 4 Tooth. And then it was around 2021 that she made Boys Night, when then, yeah, but basically, I think since So Vam, which was 2021 on top of, like, doing all these shorts, she has put out 123456, movies. That's feature, like, that's, and that's awesome. Like,
James Jay Edwards:yeah, I mean, that's, that's more than one a year, or, I
Jonathan Correia:should say five, I think one was a short, but, yeah, it's still, I mean, it's incredible. And in such, she has such, like, a very specific and confident voice behind the camera that I just absolutely love and appreciate. So yeah, I'm looking forward to watching it. Always have a little bit of problem when things are a bit expository, but I think I used the wrong word there. But oh,
James Jay Edwards:I don't think you did. I think that it is, well, it's verbally expository. Is what it is, but yeah, it is, um, but yeah, it's on shudder, and it's it, another thing I loved about it, it's like, 70 minutes long. There's like, yes, there's always time for carnage, for Christmas. Yeah, you could watch it three times in the time it takes you to watch The Brutalist Once
Jonathan Correia:nice, I need to abuse, start abusing our shudder account, because we're getting to the end of the year. So I gotta start putting together
James Jay Edwards:my list. Also, have you guys gotten to carry on on Netflix yet? Not
Jacob Davidson:yet, but I want to
James Jay Edwards:this movie. Is it? It's really fun. It, what it, what it kind of is, is it's kind of like Phone Booth meets Die Hard. And I think I just clicked two boxes for Correia there,
Jonathan Correia:until you were by me. It's copaganda for TSA. But yeah, well, it
James Jay Edwards:not really, because it kind of Jason Bateman is the villain and Taryn Edgerton is the TSA agent, and it kind of, it kind of makes the TSA easy to compromise. Honestly, it like, makes it makes it look like it makes me feel less safe. It's funny, my wife was, she was back visiting her her mom in Arkansas, and when she was flying back, she was going to download it to watch on the plane. And then she's like, maybe not on a plane, but yeah, it's it basically, Taryn Edgerton, he, he gets an earpiece. It gets passed through, you know, his thing, his his station, and then I'll put this in. So he puts it in, and then Jason Bateman is talking to him, and he's like, Okay, here's what you're gonna do, you know? So there's the phone booth or Grand Piano of it. But then, you know, by the end, or not, not really the end, by about the halfway point, it just becomes Die Hard where he you know, except it's in an airport, so Die
Jonathan Correia:Hard To Die Harder, yeah,
James Jay Edwards:oh, it is, but, yeah, I mean, it's fun. It's, it's a, it's a real throwback. I didn't know Taryn edgerkin could do action like this. He does a lot of running in it like he, he runs more than Tom Cruise. I mean, he's, he
Jonathan Correia:did the Kingsman movies. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's what those, those are. So over to the top of the action.
James Jay Edwards:Well, this, this kind of is too. I mean, this isn't exactly the beekeeper, but it's
Jonathan Correia:Few things are, yeah, exactly, but
James Jay Edwards:yeah, he and Jason Bateman get into a into a fight in the cargo hold of a plane. That's where things get awesome. But yeah, it, it's, it's pretty cool. Carry on. Carry On is definitely fun. It's on Netflix, so there's no excuse, although here's a warning, if you play wham again, wait until after Christmas to watch it, because it will, it will take you out of wham again. Wham again. It plays the wham song that people avoid. You don't know wham again. Okay, yeah, if wham again is, people try to avoid last Christmas by wham until Christmas Eve. But it's
Jonathan Correia:like the one good Christmas song that isn't Kylie Minogue Christmas album, of course, you know, but,
James Jay Edwards:but this will, this will take you out of it. They do play it. They play, they play a lot of Christmas on they they make it obvious that you're that it's Christmas time, if, if only through the music and the fact that the airport is super busy, they make a big because, because it takes place on Christmas Eve, all the busiest traffic, air traffic, day of the year, and we want us to close the terminal, you know, like, yeah, no, there's a whole bunch of the mayor in Jaws happening. I was just about to
Jonathan Correia:say, it sounds like him, man, close the beach for Fourth of July.
James Jay Edwards:Close the terminal on the busiest travel day of the year.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, but it's Christmas.
James Jay Edwards:The TSA guy's boss is um, Hank from Breaking Bad. So you could actually picture him saying that line I
Jonathan Correia:can, yeah, very much. So I went to a repertory screening of Sleepaway Camp over at because I've been, I've been hitting Vidiots hard lately. They've been doing such great we all know. I met Dan Stevens there, and then did went to the they came together screening, which was incredible. And so I went to it was, it was my birthday present from Lindsey to go see Sleepaway Camp, which is really funny, because for the longest time I hated that movie, but the screening was put on by BJ and Harmony Colangelo, who wrote harmony, wrote an amazing article about as a as a trans person, what it what Sleepaway Camp means to them, and their interpretation of it. And it really turned around my viewing of that movie, but I still hadn't seen it yet. So they put on this screening. They were there. They were signing their book by that was distributed by die books, and which I highly recommend, because the book is like, not only an expansion on that article, but they also get into the history of the movie. And it's queer influences, and its influence on queer culture, both good and bad, because it's, it is very, you know, give or take, but I gotta say, seeing watching sleep away camp at home when I was younger, it wasn't a great experience, but seeing it with a crowd that was just laughing at all the right moments and just having fun with it was was really, really turned everything around for me with that movie. So I like sleep away camp one now, not just two and three. I always like two and three, but like. The first one now. So that's the opposite for me. I've always hated two and three, but I've but I've always liked one, two and three just, was just sister. Yeah, it's Bruce springs sister. It's so silly. Yeah, but yeah, no, I highly recommend that book. Die books is actually they make books that are specifically about, like, one movie. So they have one about Poltergeist, The Love Witch and Threads. I think Threads is going to be the next one I get from them. But they're also like, you know, not too they're not thick books either, but they're very well written by, like, single authors each time. So, yeah, highly recommend them for Correia's Nook Book. I guess recommendation sleep away camp. Is it nook book or book? Nook book? Nook nook book. You know, it's not an official recommendation, because I haven't read it yet. So it's a, it's a nook book, right? Because it's a, it's going to be, it's on the nook for later. And once it's read it, then it's, then it's a part
James Jay Edwards:of the book nook clubs. So you actually are going old school with the Nook. Okay, I did it all for the book nook. I was I was thinking nook, meaning, like it's a little cozy place in your house that you read books as your No, I wasn't even thinking the the Kindle like nook.
Jonathan Correia:I just can't believe you missed that limp biscuit reference I made. I wouldn't say I missed. There's a lot of Fred Durst references happening in this episode. Yeah, we're going hard with it. We're
James Jay Edwards:going hard. Can't, couldn't we be doing Rage Against the Machine references? We're
Jonathan Correia:just trying to get sponsored by Jenko jeans, like we're going hard for that sponsorship.
Jacob Davidson:Also wanted to add, got my vinegar syndrome package, and I got a bunch of stuff, but the creme de la creme was the, at long last, awaited, uh, 4k release of Michael Mann's The Keep one of my personal favorite movies. Oh, I
Jonathan Correia:was gonna say I thought you didn't
James Jay Edwards:like that movie, Jacob. I thought you were going Hundreds of Beavers.
Jacob Davidson:Well, I did. Oh, beavers. So I got two of my favorite movies in that package and Cannibal the Musical, right? Yeah. I mean, I really like cannibal the musical, but, you know, like the, you know, different tiers, that's true,
Jonathan Correia:different categories, different tiers. But yes, and how's the 4k hold up to previous editions you've seen? And,
Jacob Davidson:oh, man, it is good. Like this is as good as this movie will ever look and sound, and you know, I'll accept that. Because the funny thing was, is that I saw it on 35 millimeter at the new Bev last year, and I was even thinking like, man, they got the prince. Why hasn't anyone made like a Blu ray or something of it? And sure enough, 2024 we finally got a 4k of the keep, which has been like the Holy Grail for a lot of people, because it was not even on DVD for for ages, and, you know, just kind of basically a gray market thing. But no, the vendor system really knocked it out of the park. It's as good as it's ever going to look it's, you know, we're never going to get the full version that Michael Mann envisioned, but, you know, I'll take what I can get. And it's still very haunting. And it was, and the time, it was perfect, because I actually watched it on the 41st anniversary of the release, because it came out in 1983 December. And, yeah, no, just still holds up. And also going back to it, yeah, I'm really glad that Hundreds of Beavers got a Blu ray release. And not just a Blu ray release, but it was, like a massive blu ray release, because it sold like over 8000 copies within like its first week.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. So they have to green like two hundreds of beavers that,
Jacob Davidson:yes, we need two hundreds of beavers to follow the 1000s of hundreds of beaver sales.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. I mean, I got my package the other day too, and there's so many good titles in there. We listed a few of them. There's also Congo 4k as I watched that I if I wasn't so busy trying to get rid of some blu rays by watching them first and for this week's topic, I would have already dived into them. So that might be my Christmas marathon, along with up at Christmas carol at 58
Jacob Davidson:Nice. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards:I hit, I finally caught up with The Front Room.
Jacob Davidson:Oh, yeah, was that? What'd you take?
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, I really liked it. It is, it's so good, it's a lot of fun. But here, I mean, I know that Korea talked a lot about it, so I don't really want to go into the movie. But one thing that Korea didn't really go into that just really struck me is the score. This score is out of control, and it's the the composer is a guy named Marcello zarvis, who he's like, a real Hollywood composer. He's done, like, like, the equalizer movies and, you know, and stuff like, stuff like, like, Ray Donovan and dark waters. And, you know, what got May December, you know, for Netflix, he's, I mean, he's like, not, he's not, like, one of these niche horror composers. And this score, I couldn't just. I couldn't figure out if he was using a theremin or if he was using one of those moves that are just monophonic, you know, like, one note at a time, and it just slides all over the place, because it some of the themes had that Star Trek. And I was like, Oh, I'm I found myself wishing that, or hoping, maybe is the right word, that a 24 does a vinyl release of the score because they didn't do one for the zone of interest, which really bummed me out, because you know that, because they should have, but I hope they do do one for the firm, because the score is just incredible. They haven't yet. Yeah, it's still, it's still recent enough. The zone of interest is like, over a year old, so if they haven't done it by now, they're not going to but the front room is still new enough that we still might get one. And I tell you, you know, my What are they? What do you call it? Triple A 24 or AAA, 24
Jonathan Correia:I call it triple A 24 Yeah. Well, that membership
James Jay Edwards:will come in handy when, yeah, it's weird, because A24 is merch, the the stuff in their shop is generally pretty expensive, except the vinyl records. The vinyl records are pretty much par with like your, you know, your Mondo or your wax work, you know, so I find myself, you know that, and the novelizations of the Ti West trilogy are I
Jonathan Correia:get the blu rays, actually, Jay I just got my birthday present, or I ordered my birthday present from AAA24 and it came down to either the iron claw soundtrack on vinyl or the talking heads stop making sense, coasters and oh, okay, sorry, I had to go with the coasters. I know I already own so many coasters, but that it's I
James Jay Edwards:wish the iron claw was a choice when I got did mine, my The only thing, I mean, it was probably the cheapest thing. But the only thing that that, that I wanted from my choices was the, the in sync cover from Red Rocket, that seven inch, yeah, so good. Oh, I love, I love her version of that. And that's but, but it was like, you know, I'm like, God, I feel like there's kind of a waste, because, you know, I could be getting one of these, you know, $60 things. And here's this $22 things, the only thing I want. Yeah, they got off easy for
Jonathan Correia:my birthday. Oh, and the first birthday I had, I was like, What's the most expensive thing I can get that I kind of like, and I went for like, $120 sweater that I never wear. So, and this year, I was like, let's, let's actually get something that we genuinely do want despite the price. So I was happy with my choice. I still love Justin Laliberty from OCN distribution and vinegar syndrome. We've had on the podcast. His Letterboxd review for the front room was sitting up in my room listening to my stepmother, menacley shit the bed and scream about being racist. There you go. Three stars. Three stars. What a movie. It's so good. And, man, I mean, it's, it's one of those ones where it's just the performances, you know,
James Jay Edwards:you kind of have to be in a mood for it, like you have to be in the right head space, sort of like the beekeeper. It's like, if you understand what they're going for, it's totally enjoyable. I know so many people who hated the beekeeper, and I'm like, Oh, dude, you don't get it. You know, this is supposed to be over the top, ridiculous. I mean, the fact that he basically fights the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles foot gang at the end, that should have been your first clue that you're, you know, not supposed to take this seriously. But yeah, the front room and
Jonathan Correia:this one, if you're, if you're not prepared for an amazing hagsploitation level performance, yeah, Catherine Hunter, you're, you're in for a rough time. But because, like, that was she, she just, like, is everything in that? And then when her and brandy are standing off, come on, yeah, it's, it's a lot of fun. I
James Jay Edwards:wanted to just slap her, but, oh, and she does. I know she does.
Jonathan Correia:There was a cheer in the audience. Oh, man, that was such a great audience watches. She hits her, and it was like, Finally, yeah, we don't condone violence. But you know, racists
Jacob Davidson:against racist old people,
Jonathan Correia:that's fine. I mean, I mean, I don't know if you guys have been watching Creature Commandos at all, but I think James Gunn is has purposely did the oldest trick in the book on how to get you to fall in love with the character, and that's having them joyfully kill lots of Nazis. And that's gi
James Jay Edwards:robot killing Nazis will never not be fun to watch, you know, like sisu or Indian
Jacob Davidson:Wars bastards, Indiana Jones.
James Jay Edwards:Let's move on to our topic, because we ran long with considering nothing's really come out except Kraven the Hunter, we went really long with that. Correia introduce our topics. I'm not 100% sure that I understand what you want to add of this.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. So in celebration of Robert Eggers Nosferatu finally coming out after what he announced, it like when the witch came out, like this has been a thing he's been cooking up for for years,
James Jay Edwards:and why they didn't do it as a Halloween release. I don't know. I haven't
Jonathan Correia:seen it, so I don't know if it's Christmassy, but in celebration of that, and celebration of just like Nosferatu in general, today's topic is us talking about Nosferatu, its influences, its its history, and why this 100 at this point? Yeah, over 100 year old movie that was a rip off and was saved through illegal bootlegging. Is so influential.
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, they got sued by by Stoker's estate, and then, wasn't it like some projectionists like, you know, stuck a copy in his coat as he walked out with it, or something, pretty
Jonathan Correia:much, yeah, because they were ordered to burn all copies. But there were prints that were out there. So there was a bunch of random, like, prints for international distribution. And so, yeah, it was safe through various things. And so for many years, it was a lost and then was found in bits and pieces. And, you know, beautiful people, like the folk, like the kind folks at Kino Lorber and other institutions have restored it a few times. The 2011 remaster that Kino did looks fantastic. I re watched it the other night, and it's striking, because, let's be honest, we all know that I'm basically an iPad kid that was born a few years too early to be an actual iPad kid, and it still holds my attention. It's just such a haunting film. The the all around aura of it is just uneasy. And I think it's really great, because we've there's so many adaptations and interpretations of Dracula, and so many of them lean into the romanticism of Dracula, whereas Nosferatu, he's a fucking disease. He is walking death. Yeah, he's a plague. They call him the death bird in Nosferatu to and I think it's, it's just so interesting, especially when you're like, the context of, like, 1920s Germany, just after World War One, before World War Two. And like the the production company pranu, this was their only feature that they made. But they were built, they were founded by occultists, or folks that were into the occult and stuff. That's why Nosferatu like in the letters and you'll see symbols throughout the film. So it has this, like really weird, ethereal feel to it, not to mention the promotional art, which is gorgeous, is done in that style as well. So, I mean, it's easy to see why it was such an influence, but it's also insane on how it's been able to survive for so long. And, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's phenomenal.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, no, it is also interesting, because it was after the Spanish flu epidemic, so I feel like that would have tied into it as well.
Jonathan Correia:Oh, absolutely. And then you get all these. There's a lot of and looking up stuff for this, I found a lot of films that were called Nosferatu, and they would just take like footage from it and inter splice it with like stuff. There was a lot of like, weird soft core stuff that we're doing that with it, which was, sure, go make your dollars
James Jay Edwards:the novel that it's taken from Dracula is a seductive character. And I guess Nosferatu if you don't look at him, he's a seductive character. He's ugly and scary. But
Jonathan Correia:that's the thing, is that like, and that's what, oh, man. And like, I can't tell you, like, how, like, enthralled I was in watching it a couple of nights ago, because it's, it, there's a seduction, but it's, it's a menacing, I mean, even just that, the the imagery of him like, kind of sleeping on her after he drank Ellen's blood, and he's just there with his eyes open, snoring away, and his hands are just like over her chest and stuff. It's, he's a parasite. He's a he's a plague. It's, it's so interesting, which is so cool, because every other interpretation of Dracula, he's hot as shit. I mean, Bella Legosi fucking got laid as fuck as Dracula. Christopher Lee, come on.
James Jay Edwards:That's kind of the thing when, whenever they want to make a menacing vampire type, you know, like in Salems Lot, or, what was it Midnight Mass is that the Flanagan one? Yeah, they model him after freaking the Nosferatu one. When they want to make a a Dracula or vampire that is truly horrifying, if they want to make one that's seductive, they model them after Bella Lugosi.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, which is, which is why Christopher Lee's performance as Dracula is so good, because it really is that combination of both. He was both sexy and, like menacing, like, just he the eyes, the eyes for Christopher Lee is what always like, gets, gets under my skin with the bloodshot eyes,
Jacob Davidson:yeah? For me with, Nosferatu it's the hands, you know, like he's got the, those long, bony fingers with the kind of claws and, like in the and just the shadow play of, like, the hands go up first, so, like you see the shadow of the hands before, you know, you see him.
James Jay Edwards:He has very shadow worthy hands, like shadow puppet hands
Jonathan Correia:well. And not only that, but like so much of Nosferatu, is experimentation, I mean the colorization of scenes and having it match, like, not just like saying, like, oh, it's blue. Now it's nighttime, but there was a lot of play with it. But also Murnau, he was a photographer first, and so a lot of those because when silent films at that time, it was very static, one shot scene plays out like a play. But some of the angles in imagery that he evokes with that of the landscapes is is so cool, because the beautiful landscapes, but the angle and everything that he goes at it with is haunting, or just the the scene of, I'm trying to remember the actual names of the characters, because, you know, it's, it's not Renfield. It's knock in.Nosferatu when knock is on the roof of the building and he's throwing rocks at people who are hunt the villagers that are pillaging for him. It's, it's such a goofy bit, but, like, also very interesting, just like the angles, yeah, I could talk about Nosferatu all day, but its influences are felt. I mean, you have the Herzog remake in the 70s, Claus Kinski, Nosferatu, yeah, yeah. Nosferatu in Venice, which I did not get to watch in time. I'm very upset.
Jacob Davidson:It's so much fun. It doesn't even look like Nosferatu in that one, but it's just such a bonkers Italian production. And
James Jay Edwards:then Shadow of the Vampire where, where Willem Dafoe gets to play yet another, not the Van Helsing character of Nosferatu, but in well, he plays Nosferatu, he plays Max Shrek,
Jonathan Correia:yeah, he plays Nosferatu and Max Shrek. I think he's the only person to have played Nosferatu and Van Helsing. I did watch that one because I was like, man, it would be really cool to watch the original Nosferatu and then revisit Shadow of the Vampire. And, yeah, the recreations were really cool. But some of the like, I think the scene that really stuck out. Two things that really stuck out for me with this is William Defoe would use the nails to, like, click together and stuff like, like that, like a sassy bitch. That was that was drag, that was brat. I loved it. If
James Jay Edwards:anyone hasn't seen Shadow of the Vampire. What it is is, it is a it's a movie basically Max Shrek, when they were making Nosferatu was a really weird guy, and he kind of creeped out the crew. And this movie kind of theorizes that Max Shrek really was a vampire. So it's about the making of the movie, and Max Shrek keeps eating crew members.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, it's, it's, it's fiction, whatever set back. And Jon
Jacob Davidson:Malkovich plays mernall,
James Jay Edwards:yeah, there's this amazing C where malkovic, he's like, he's bargaining with him about who he's gonna eat. He's like, Oh, he's, he's, you can't eat the writer. He's like, but the thing's written.
Jonathan Correia:Oh, yeah, stop eating my camera. Man, oh, what is he not eating? Eat the script girl. Man,
James Jay Edwards:eventually I'll eat her later. Yeah. Then he's like, he's okay, you can eat the writer, but then you have to write how you get because he doesn't want to go on the boat. Right, exactly, right, how we get over there.
Jonathan Correia:And that's thing overall, like, the film does have, like, a weird back and forth with tone. There are some scenes that are very comedic, there are some scenes that are dramatic. It doesn't quite touch on horror. So it's very much so, like a making of a movie type deal where, what if the guy playing a vampire was a vampire? That's the ultimate role. It's a vampire playing a guy, playing a vampire, playing an actor who's playing a vampire and but there's this one scene that was just really amazing, and it's, it's after he drained, after Max Shrek drains, the cameraman, SORNA goes back to Berlin to get a new cameraman, and that's later introduces Carrie ewells. But so they're on set, and they're building the ship at the castle because or no threat to won't go on the ship. He refuses to travel by ship, so they're building it. And then Udo Kier plays the producer on the film. He's getting drunk. The writer and William Defoe is max Shrek comes up to them, and they're all still thinking he's an actor and just a weird guy. And they, I guess method acting hasn't really been introduced, or it's like starting to become a thing. So everyone's like, this guy's really weird. Why is he a character all the time? And they go, Oh, well, you're an actual vampire, right? Max. Like, well, let's ask you some vampire questions. What do you have you heard of Dracula? And he's like, Yeah, I read it. And they're like, Oh, yeah. What'd you think of it? And he just gives it talks about the loneliness of Dracula, on what it's on, what it must feel like to not eat for centuries and then to hell,
Jacob Davidson:I love the line where he says, like, it made him sad because Dracula is so alone. He has to serve Harker himself because he doesn't have any servants.
Jonathan Correia:That, yeah, that was the line that started off with. So he was like, I was really sad that he had no servants. And they're like, What do you mean? And then he's, like, hundreds of years he hasn't eaten. Imagine not eating, not being a part. And he's basically saying, like, not being a part of like humans, and then suddenly you have to pretend to be human, like, and he says this great line of, like, does he even remember how to buy bread, you know? And it's, there's that like meditation in this film on immortality, and that I don't think gets talked enough about, and in films of immortals, where there's, there's a sadness to this character that comes, but also he gets so feral the final scene where they because the the myth in the movie is that the death scene of Count Orlok and Nosferatu is actually this vampire playing Max Shrek dying for No set up. And it's, it's done so well, so yeah, I mean, it's, it's fun.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, no, I love shadow the vampire. I was actually lucky enough to see a screening of it with wilm Defoe and the director in person when we were doing that premiere of the lighthouse. And we screened that together. And, yeah, no, it's so interesting, both as a movie about, you know, the sadness of being vampire, and also, kind of the vampiric nature of film production, because it's Yeah, diva film stars literally sucking the cast and crew drive. Oh, not even that, just the
Jonathan Correia:whole idea of Bernard just putting everyone at risk, or even just like to, like, always statistical director, and not just putting people at risk. He full on promises the lead actress to Shrek as like, as compensation before they even get a shot off. Like that was, that was the deal to get this guy in this as he wanted authenticity. Yeah, I think it's a great case against the auteur theory.
James Jay Edwards:Can you imagine the lawsuits today, the criminal charges vampire I was thinking last night about in, I don't want to spoil anything, but in, in Nosferatu, the one that Robert Edwards, they kind of skip over the boat part. I mean, it's, it's, it's implied, but it's not, doesn't really go into too much depth on it. So the last voyage of the Demeter, almost, you could edit that into the middle, and you would have the complete, you'd have the complete Dracula book, I
Jonathan Correia:mean, and that's, and that's what's so cool about, I guess, art in general, because, again, we have Nosferatu and I don't know if all the interpretations or changes, like, obviously, there's, we know they changed the names to avoid copyright, which didn't work and but like, It's, it's like, when you look at the thing movies, and I'm talking about the original to The Thing, and the thing from another planet, thing from another world, Thing From Another World, adaptations of the same book, two totally different interpretations of it, because they're focusing on a different aspect of it. So Well, the thing from another world is focusing more on like this, vegetation monster, Creature Feature, John Carpenter's The thing is more about the paranoia of other and and trusting others. And so I always find, if you're going to go back and revisit something, having that like different take on it so interesting. But with this, it was the first one. It was the first adaptation of Dracula on celluloid. There was the play prior, but so to go in that like big of a direct of a direction that, like almost nobody did after, because everyone always goes for the romanticized version, is so interesting and cool, and I don't know what was. So one of the things that's coming up in the press for this is people's first introductions to Nosferatu. And I feel like Jacob and I might have the same introduction, but Jay, I was just about to say it, Jay, what was your first introduction to Nosferatu? How did you get fine. Find it.
James Jay Edwards:You. I probably saw the Herzog one before I saw the Murnau one. But, you know, it, it was definitely I either way. I think I probably saw still images before I actually saw the movie. And that's what broke me in. I was like, Okay, this, this is pretty scary, you know, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:yeah, for us. And I think many millennials and Gen Z it was that. It was the Hash Slinging Slasher, the night shift episode of SpongeBob SquarePants, where Nosferatu appears.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, the whole episode, they're going on about the Hash Slinging Slasher, which is like a slasher killer, or they think it's a slasher killer. And at the end, it's revealed, it's just a guy applying for a job at the Krusty Krab. And they go, who was flicking the lights? And they just cuts to Shreks Nosferatu with his hand on the light switch. And they just have the arm go, click, click, click, click, click, click, and they all just go, Nosferatu. And then he smiles,
Jacob Davidson:yeah, that was Jay lender, who, who was one of the SpongeBob writers. And, yeah, no, that introduced an entire generation to Nosferatu,
Jonathan Correia:because everyone's like, what the fuck was that? What's the Nosferatu? And
Jacob Davidson:even end the episode with like, a little Photoshop of him smiling awkward, like, Marv,
Jonathan Correia:hey, you got me. But Edgars, uh, was asked that on the red carpet. He's like, I think that's amazing. He's like, I kind of missed that, but I grew up on Muppet Babies, and Muppet Babies, which have clips of long Chaney's Phantom of the Opera. So it's,
Jacob Davidson:it's awesome. It's a lot you can do with the public domain. And I
Jonathan Correia:think Nosferatu is one of the best examples that you really do capture immortality on celluloid. All right. Well,
James Jay Edwards:let's call this one an episode. We're next. This is probably our last episode of the year, but we will have one more episode of this season because we had to come back after the first of the year with our top 10s, and we're waiting on our top 10s because both these guys need to see Nosferatu because we're getting there, I have a feel, and it's going to be on all three of our lists, but I don't want to speak for you guys. I might take it for Christmas day we will see it is, oh yeah, it's, it's beautiful. Our theme song is by Restless Spirits, so go check them out. Our artwork is by Chris Fisher, so go check him out. And what else? Oh, our socials. Our Eye On Horror everywhere, or ihorror.com which is the site we call home. Am I forgetting anything on this? Sign off? You did the sign off last time. So I'm rusty on it.
Jonathan Correia:I didn't do a good job at it. So don't, don't come at me like that.
James Jay Edwards:You did fine. You you artwork, music, socials, there you go. You're you're gonna inherit it next season. No, anyway, we'll see you in a couple weeks with our top 10s of the year, as if you can't put them together from what our rantings over the year, but we'll see you in a couple weeks. So for me, James, Jay Edwards,
Jacob Davidson:I'm Jacob Davison
Jonathan Correia:And I'm Jonathan Correia.
James Jay Edwards:Keep your Eye On Horror.
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