Eye On Horror
Eye On Horror
TROLL CALL
This week, the boys review Imaginary, Love Lies Bleeding, the 4K UHD release of Hackers (its gorgeous), Hundreds of Beavers, Come and See, Frogman, and the Oscars.
Then the boys move on to their main topic, TROLLS! One of the best and not utilized enough creatures of the forest, the boys discuss their favorite trolls in movies, from Troll Hunter to Ernest Scared Stupid, and everything in between. Except Leprechaun.
Its all new on EYE ON HORROR!!
Edit: Correia mistakenly says Alberta Watson instead of Lorraine Bracco when reviewing the 4K for Hackers. He is very sorry.
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Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official podcast of iHorror.com. This is episode 123. Otherwise known as season seven, Episode Four. I am your host James Jay Edwards and with me as always is your other host Jacob Davison, how you doing, Jacob?
Jacob Davidson:I'm doing alright, just recovering from a midnight movie hangover, that the St. Patrick's Day because I was out late last night at the midnight show of Leprechaun over at the New Beverly, the original, the OG with Warwick Davis. I'll get into it more once we get to the main show.
James Jay Edwards:We were recording this on St. Patrick's Day. And I don't see any of us wearing greens so pinch pan. I'm wearing
Jacob Davidson:green. Oh, I'm gonna virtually pinch you both. Also
James Jay Edwards:with us, as always is your other other host Jon Correia How you doing Correia are
Jonathan Correia:doing fantastic. Happy St. Patrick Swayze Day, everybody. We're gonna we're gonna I'm gonna pop on Swayze Dancing. When, When I'm making food a little later, if y'all don't know, Swayze Dancing, it was a dancing VHS tape that Patrick Swayze's mom made and host and he's one of the dancers to help you learn the Swayze Dancing. It's, it's very wholesome.
James Jay Edwards:We there's actually kind of a lot of cool horror thats come out since last time we talked but um, let's let's go first to Imaginary have either you guys seen imaginary?
Jacob Davidson:No, I haven't gotten to that one. Imaginary is.
James Jay Edwards:It's it's better than Night Swim. But it's still typical Blumhouse it's basically this woman moves back into her child at home with her adult family, her husband and two stepdaughters and one of the stepdaughters finds a teddy bear in the basement and has like an imaginary friend named Chauncey. And it turns out this is the same imaginary friend that the woman had when she was a kid. So of course, there's trouble afoot there. It's one of those where I don't think they quite stuck the landing on it, they the beginning parts with the bear are the way they handled bears actually really cool. Because it's not like Chucky, where the bear goes running, right that the bears kind of like like a shapeshifter. So like, it goes from like teddy bear to There are scenes where it gets more menacing returns and other things, but when they're just focusing on the bear, it's one of those deals where you're like, Okay, wait, did that bares facial expression change? Or is that my imagination? You know, it's that kind of, it's that kind of creepiness. But, um, but about the halfway point, it turns into an Insidious movie. So it goes from, from like, you know, paranoia about this toy to, you know, flat out into the further we go. So it? It's, I mean, it's, it's a, again, it's a well made movie, which is what Blumhouse does when they're pumping these movies out. But you know, it's not going to be one. I mean, it's not gonna make my top 10 I already know, but it's an interesting movie.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, I did like the preview picture of the bear in you know, like, monster mode. That did look kind of cool. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards:the the bear in Monster mode, that's, uh, that picture is a little bit of a spoiler because it doesn't really get to that mode until they go into like, the further but you know, saying it goes into further as a spoiler as well. But yeah, it's a it's a it's a fun little, you know, haunted toy movie, I guess. But. But again, you know, it's not gonna make my top 10 But something that is going to make my top 10 I'm sure of it. Love Lies Bleeding.
Jacob Davidson:Ah, yeah, that was good. Have either.
James Jay Edwards:Did you see love lies bleeding Correia? No.
Jonathan Correia:Like, I don't like I'm trying to get that money, guys.
James Jay Edwards:Oh, my God. Love Lies Bleeding. You did see it Jacob?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, I was at the I was at the premiere, or I love it. the la premiere with Kristen Stewart, Katie O'Brien and Rose Glass. And yeah, no, I thought it was an amazing movie. Like it Yeah, they dry it. It's it kind of does have some something It's was kind of a NEO Noir. It was a dark romance. It was kind of a crime caper. Ya know, it's just such a amazing movie. And also in common with Drive-Away Dolls but it um oh yeah, no, it's big year for lesbian crime movies between that and Drive-Away Dolls. Ah,
James Jay Edwards:much darker. This is Rose glass who did Saint Maud. This is much less of just a pure horror movie than Saint Maud This is almost like, like a Coen Brothers Tarantino kind of thing. And it takes place in the 80s which it is the only thing that makes it and I liked this it didn't completely lead into the 80s as much as it could have. The only thing that's obviously 80s is the hairstyles you have like Kristen Stewart has a femullet and Ed Harris has like this skullet He looks like Riffraff from Rocky Horror.
Jacob Davidson:But then and then when it gets serious, he braids it.
James Jay Edwards:And then Dave Franco has this rat tail is Oh, I got the hair
Jacob Davidson:and the pornstache Yeah.
James Jay Edwards:But it is it's more of like a like you said it's a NEO Noir. And it's and it's like a revenge thriller. But um oh my god, it's so good. And the thing is, it's funny because it kind of it I mean, it explores like domestic violence and steroid abuse like these serious issues, but it's always got kind of this dark humor to it. And, and Jenna Malone and Kristen Stewart play perfect sisters. They're like yo, when you look at Janet Malone you're like oh you know or when you look at Kristen Stewart yeah you know she looks like she could actually be Jenna Melone's sister in the in this but um if you thought the ending I'm not gonna spoil anything but if you thought the ending to Saint Maud was like weird just wait until you see the ending to this Jaw dropper we it like borders on the absurd. You're just like either, and it's one of those things kind of like Saint Maud where you're thinking you're like, Okay, you're seeing this from the point of view of one of the characters and you don't realize it until that point. But yeah, it's oh my god Love Lies Bleeding. So good. Correia, you have to see it. You're gonna love it.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, you know if you're a case do fan this one's for you. And she makes a great pair with the extremely ripped and actually ripped Katie O'Brien. First
Jonathan Correia:of all, what makes you think this isn't like my most anticipated film of the year? Just because I haven't seen it yet. That's not due to lack of wanting I mean, first of all, give me all the like, aggressive and lesbian action crime movies. This is we're living in a renaissance between Bottoms this and Drive-Away Dolls. It's what a great what a great age to live in. And yeah, it's literally just like I physically haven't left this chair in like a week. So I will be seeing it. I trust me. It's up there Rose Glass. I will watch anything and everything she makes after Saint Maud.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, one of my favorite reviews was from a friend saying that Love Lies Bleeding is the kind of movie the characters from Bottoms would be obsessed with.
Jonathan Correia:So that's a great review. That's a great review. Man. As
Jacob Davidson:for me, I've managed to see some premiere horror movies in the last week. I think most prominently. I got to go to the Alamo pre screening for Late Night with the Devil with David Dastmalchian. Ooh,
Jonathan Correia:out. Yeah. But did it live up to the hype?
James Jay Edwards:Is that the talk show?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, that's a talk show one. Yeah. So basically, it's about this kind of lost in fictional late night talk show from the 70s called Night Owls. And David Dastmalchian, plays the host and he's dealing with a ratings war with the Tonight Show and he's, and he's trying to think of ways to boost the ratings. So on Halloween night, in late 70s, he does a Halloween special where he has on these guests, including a psychic, a paranormal investigator and does prover and a psychologist with a patient who claims to be possessed by a demon. And it goes off the rails. Is
James Jay Edwards:it like? Is it presented like like a found VHS tape? Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:it's kind of a mockumentary found footage, like the impetuses that it's like the last master tape that was dug
James Jay Edwards:the master tape. I was wondering if they up. Okay, did fake commercials, like WNUF? No,
Jacob Davidson:no, they didn't do commercials. Although the other the interesting thing is, is that you know, they have the stuff on the main show, but also they show this kind of behind the scenes footage during the making of the show, you know, in between in between the segments, so you kind of see them, people acting on and off camera. And, you know this I really hope that this boosts David Dastmalchian because he really does have leading man energy and like he's very charismatic in this as the host. So, you know, it's yeah, it's it's definitely a horror comedy and it is a little bit in line with stuff like WNUF, because it has kind of, you know, the 70's talk show kitsch with like, good jokes and bits. But when the horror hits and it was very unexpectedly caught me off guard a bunch, it hits so yeah, I really dug it, I'd highly recommend
Jonathan Correia:it when they when it was first announced, I think they released a poster or something. I was it just felt like, this is the perfect showcase for David Dastmalchian. And like that dude has been like, needing, like a vehicle to like truly show off because he always shines and everything he does. So that's very, that's very awesome to have something that like, like, gives him that opportunity. I'm excited for that one too. Yeah, I
James Jay Edwards:am too. I'm, I'm a sucker for, like, lost media movies like that, you know, like, you know, Ghostwatch kind of, you know, you know, found footage kind of stuff. So and especially if it's done creatively, which it sounds like this. This isn't just and two years later, we found on tape. You know,
Jacob Davidson:it's a lot deeper than that. Yeah, no,
James Jay Edwards:I'm, I'm excited for this one.
Jonathan Correia:And on my on my business trip, I read a lot of that Satanic Panic book. Dude, it's crazy. And they have a whole segment about Giraldo Rivera and like his say, his Satanic Panic special and all that stuff. So I'm like, I'm like ready to go in there. Not nitpick but I love to. I love to read stuff like that. It's a really great book. And that opening essay about Michelle Remembers and regression therapy is incredible. I actually just watched a very bad episode of Star Trek Voyager where they were critiquing regression therapy that was very weird. Yeah, it was like a me too Episode only a was to go against regression there. It wasn't handled well. Brian Fuller could have done better. It was one of his episodes. But yeah, anyways, this isn't a Star Trek podcast Correia stop it. But
Jacob Davidson:anyway, ya know, just it does play a bit into the Satanic Panic in the late 70s. So it it I mean, it's it's draws from a lot of culture and horror and stuff at that time because you know, it's a period film, but ya know, is solidly made, I would recommend it very
Jonathan Correia:excited. Do we know if it's going to like Shudder or is
Jacob Davidson:it will be a shutter release. They did the pre screening last week. And then it's getting a run at Alamo starting? Thursday.
Jonathan Correia:Thursday. Hell yeah. Well, so it'll be out when this episode comes out. So definitely go check it out. Yeah, it's getting rave reviews right now.
Jacob Davidson:Hell yeah. Either way. It's out there. And yeah, you know, definitely go in as blind as possible. It's very surprising.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, I haven't been able to go out to theaters as we're showing so far right now with this episode. But I did finally get to watch my 4K of Hackers and let me tell you a shout factory did an amazing job with that transfer. packers has never looked and sounded so good. And what a beautiful film that cuz I had to show Lindsay because I've been shouting hack the world at her anytime computer comes up for years now. And so to finally show her the amazingness of like, what 1995 How that view of the world was with the cyber stuff between Strange Days, Johnny Mnemonic, and Hackers it's just it's a really special film it truly is. And it makes me wish that there was more rollerblading in movies because there just isn't enough rollerblading in movies did
James Jay Edwards:you bring your rollerblades I literally go no where without them
Jonathan Correia:I mean Fisher Stevens is is fucking incredible as The Plague what a great villain What Why are villains so serious these days? Like I mean like he was serious he was very serious about what he was doing or too series about what he was doing because it was a ridiculous being but like I think with this viewing the the biggest shocker to me was is Ko hurt cool cohort to Fisher Stevens was Alberta Watson in it with blonde hair. She was the therapist in The Sopranos and she's really really really good in the Sopranos. And she is not great in this movie at all. It was really weird seeing like because in the Sopranos she's really good at doing like stone face and like little and showing like little breaks and emotion and stuff. And so for her to try to do over the top in Hackers a just a it was brilliant. It was bad but it was brilliant. Yeah Hackers again it's incredible. As always Scream and Shout factory did a great 4K So we have a 4K player and you don't own Hackers you're fucking up. I'm just gonna say I got another
Jacob Davidson:premiere I went to I wanted to discuss have either of you've you've seen the movie, Lake Michigan Monster.
James Jay Edwards:But you've already got my attention being the big cryptid fan. Then I have, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:well, I mean that well, that was an event. This is the thing. It was the previous movie to the movie I wanted to bring up called Hundreds of Beavers
Jonathan Correia:I have heard of this
James Jay Edwards:Please tell me that the title is not a metaphor.
Jacob Davidson:No, no, it is literally about Hundreds of Beavers. Yeah. It's so basically yeah, like Michigan Monster was kind of like throwback comedy movie because it is about this sea captain trying to kill the Lake Monster of Lake Michigan. Even has a sea shanty, and those same filmmakers, Mike Cheslik and Ryland Brickson Cole Tews. They made this movie over the last few years it like it actually took them over four years. It's called Hundreds of Beavers. It takes place in the 19th century. And it's about this apple. And this Applejack farmer, you know, this guy that makes apple cider and hard cider. And his apple farm is destroyed by a rogue beaver. So he's lost everything. So he decides to become a fur trapper. And so he has to fight this scourge of hundreds and hundreds of beavers that are rampaging through the forest and chopping down all the trees. And it is just one of the funniest movies I've seen in years like in within the first five minutes alone, there was a scene that made me laugh so hard. I cried. Are
James Jay Edwards:the beavers the bad guys in it?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, pretty much. And the thing is that it's all for one thing. It's all black and white. It's most it's like a silent movie. Like nobody really talks. And the beavers and raccoons, skunks and other animals are all people in these kind of mascot costumes. So like there's like there's like wrestling moves and beavers getting shot out of cannons or like thrown with catapults. So it's just like beaver carnage extravaganza. And, like there's a lot of green screening and after effects that again, makes it feel like a live action cartoon. So there's just like room for so much slapstick and the Fur Trapper gets his ass beat by raccoons and birds and other animals. So it's like a lot of back and forth. But
James Jay Edwards:I predict people are going to go to this movie on acid in droves. Yeah, that's
Jacob Davidson:definitely one way to do it. But I mean, I was sober and it's still felt like, I don't know, like I was watching a movie from an alternate universe where silent films never stopped. So it was just kind of like a modern comedy with that kind of old school aesthetic. And it also had a lot of video game influences too, because like, there's this whole thing where like, the fur trapper is trying to get supplies from the salesman, it's kind of like a Legend of Zelda or Mario thing where he has to collect certain items in order to craft other items like he has to get a certain amount of beaver pelts in order to get a baseball or sorry, a club to kill more beavers so that he can get more pelts so that you can get more items. And also because he's starting to have a thing for the merchants daughter. So there's a whole subplot there. But yeah, a lot of it is just like beavers, and all these other animals getting blown up or thrown across the horizon. Again, it's just is one of the funniest slapstick comedies I've seen in a long time. Although there is like some scenes of horror, because like, there's, like when the night falls, there's like other nastier animals that start tracking them down. He's Uh, ya know, it's a lot of fun. Like, it's got a limited run right now. With when we know Whoa, and like they're putting the movie on tour. I can't remember exactly how far but yeah, it's I think, I think it's a self distributed movie. So hopefully, yeah, it's still it's a it's doing the limited run, but hopefully it should get a main release soon. But yeah, I can't recommend it enough. It is insanely funny.
Jonathan Correia:I hope it gets hundreds of screenings.
James Jay Edwards:We can only hope. Have you guys heard of a movie called Come and See?
Jacob Davidson:Oh, I know that one.
James Jay Edwards:Have you seen it?
Jacob Davidson:Not yet. But I know it's reputation. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards:that's what it has a criterion release. And the last few years. It's kind of like you said, the reputation it's been, it's from I think 87 Maybe 85. But it's from the 80s and it's basically about a kid who he lives in. He's He's Russian. And he kind of joins the resistance to the to the Nazis. And he he's like 14, so he's way too young to be you know, fighting Nazis, but you know, I guess what else do you do when your village is you know, being pillaged? Um, And it's basically about the atrocities of, of the war. I mean, the reason it's got its reputation is people have been saying like on the internet, they're, like all the scariest horror movie ever isn't even a horror movie, you know, and, and I wouldn't go that far, it's not really scary, so much as it is just disturbing. There's, you know, there's a lot of, of atrocities of war. And probably the most memorable bit about it is he meets this girl, and they go back to his house. And this happens fairly early in the movie. So this isn't really spoiling anything. It's just kind of a taste of what kind of, you know, a movie, this is they, he goes back to his house, and there's no one there, like, his family is not there. So they kind of go, he's like, I know where they are. So they start walking away from the house. And the girl like, looks back and he doesn't look back, but the girl looks back. And there's just piles and piles of bodies piled up against the back of the house that she sees as they're going by and you're like, Okay, this movie means business now, it's, it's a it's a it's a crazy way it has a Criterion release. I don't know where it where else you can get it maybe it's on the Criterion channel. I'm not sure where you can find it streaming lies, but but it has a Criterion release. And it's it's quite an eye opener. It's pretty powerful movie. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:that that that cover for the Criterion release is very haunting and has been one where I'd never it's one of those like, like the old video store days where you see a cover and you're like, I want to know more about that. But they didn't you never do so like yeah, I've never known more about that movie outside of its cover. So yeah, very cover
James Jay Edwards:is just is just the kid's face. But he's completely shell shocked, which is kind of how the viewer looks to when you're seeing this stuff. Especially through the lens of this 14 year old kid. You're like, holy crap, you know this kid. He has to grow up fast. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:I mean, for me the most disturbing horror film that's not even a horror film. It's a it's a war movie. It's still Threads, Threads is fucking Oh, yeah. Yeah, that that that third act,
James Jay Edwards:my most disturbing movie. It's not a horror movie is still Compliance.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, no, see me. I was gonna say that. That's the one that did for me that that movie fucked me up.
James Jay Edwards:It's it's just so and it only becomes a horror movie. When you realize it's real. You know that this this shit really happened. And if you watch there, I think I brought it up a while ago. There's a documentary on Netflix called Don't Answer the Phone, which talks about the real story. And the real story is pretty close to what happened in compliance. So that makes it even more dirty of a movie.
Jacob Davidson:Although back on Horror And also found footage I also saw a new horror movie for VOD called Frogman Have either of you heard of it? I saw a post. Yeah, I heard about it through the internet grapevine to I don't remember who specifically but ya know, it just sounded interesting. It's basically it has kind of the basic found footage type setup where it's like this guy at at amature filmmaker, when he was a kid, he got footage of a local cryptid named Frogman. So he years later, he decides to go back to where he to where he saw it, in order to try and get real footage and to try and prove it is in fact, like a real creature. And he drags along some friends and they go to this small town where the everybody's kind of cashing in on frogman fever with like, merchandise and shops and stuff. And the cool thing is that he decides to use the same video camera that he originally got the Florida frogman as a kid in the 90s. So it is filmed in a analog fashion. But ya know it when they went into some pretty unexpected directions, and it did have some really amazing effects for a movie with this definitely felt like a bit of a low budget affair. And yes, by Anthony cousins, it's Yeah, on VOD now, so I rented it. And I liked it so much. I bought a VHS version from lunchmeat like the VHS distributor. Yeah, so if you'd like found footage is definitely your kind of gym.
Jonathan Correia:Lunch me VHS does such great work. I have a few of their releases including We're All Going to the World's Fair. Oh yeah. Heavy Metal Parking Lot. That VHS tape is so good.
James Jay Edwards:Only way to own Heavy Metal Parking Lot.
Jacob Davidson:I got the blu ray too, but you know gotta cover my bases same
Jonathan Correia:Exactly. And also Strawberry Mansion. I'm still surprised that hasn't gotten a release. I think it's a music box selection. A distributed title. That's a that's one that Dan Deacon scored, which is an amazing score, of course. I mean, it's Dan Deacon. about it. I
Jacob Davidson:really got to check it out.
Jonathan Correia:That one's fantastic. It's it's on VOD, so you can get it on like, Vudu and stuff, but like yeah, for some reason like, as far as physical media I can only find that on that lunchmeat VHS so fingers crossed someday we'll see.
Jacob Davidson:Alright frogmen was good time if you're still down for more found footage,
James Jay Edwards:it checks off two of the boxes for me I found footage and cryptids so yeah, man got both
Jacob Davidson:in spades. Oh, also I got to see an early screening of The Primevals you know the lost Full Moon Entertainment movie Have you guys heard about them? Yeah, seeing
James Jay Edwards:the poster for it which looks Oh yeah, it's bad. Amazing.
Jacob Davidson:God Yeti. Yeah to have the Yeti because
Jonathan Correia:didn't they do like a lot of like, the effects work already and like yeah, it was it was like it was like something where it's like all the stop motion and stuff was like mostly done and that but they ran out of funding or something like Exactly,
Jacob Davidson:yes. Yeah, they filmed the mostly in the early 90s. And yeah, they and yeah, it was just unfinished for a long time and they finally I think they did an Indiegogo or Kickstarter to get the funding to properly finish it. And yeah, it's a lot of fun is very much a Harryhausen throwback because it's like the Sherpas kill Yeti. The Yeti is putting on exhibited Museum in America and the scientists decided to go back to the Himalayas to try and find more of the eddy and it turns out there's a whole Lost World with like, hominids Bigfoots lizard people lost civilizations, and good like there's no there's so much stop motion effects and practical effects and they managed to really threaded with modern CGI that it looks pretty cool. And it is great because it is perfectly in line with like a lot of those full moon pictures are even earlier to kind of the Empire pictures. They're just with these big ideas and like lots of practical effects. So I really dug it
Jonathan Correia:sounds like a fun Jules Verne esque adventure.
Jacob Davidson:Oh, without a doubt. And also Korea, I think you'll appreciate it because there there's a lot of Star Trek references like at one point a character even yells Star Trek while pointing out at a spaceship.
Jonathan Correia:Oh, wait, how did you know I was in the Star Trek.
Jacob Davidson:Just a guess. I
Jonathan Correia:suppose I just give off that vibe. But just give off Trekkie vibes. Yes. He says after spending eight hours watching three different Star Trek shows the day prior. I
Jacob Davidson:mean, you just you just dropped Voyager in our last conversation. Yeah, yeah,
Jonathan Correia:I'm in the middle of watching Voyager and Discovery catching up before the final season. So it's, it's a lot
James Jay Edwards:before we move to our topic, let's let's discuss the Oscars which happened last weekend. First of all, we have Oscar winner Godzilla Minus One. Yay, which is awesome. And they were so excited to win that Oscar it was so much fun to watch them win that and also Zone of Interest one best sound which was also amazing because the way that the guy when he accepted the award put it he said I just want to thank the Academy for listening to our film, because it was up against you know, these deafening sound movies like Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning and Oppenheimer and the sound in Zone of Interest is so subtle, but it makes the movie so I was really happy that that one Robot Dreams did not win. But you know, that's just because nobody has seen it yet. As you You guys will see Robot Dreams is going to come out in America later on this year and you guys are going to be all the academy that that
Jonathan Correia:roll that was a tough fight man. I mean, it didn't get as wide of a release and it was up against a Studio jibley and spider man and it's
James Jay Edwards:it's a way it's a much simpler form of animation. It's like 2d You know 80s animation. So yeah, the Robot Dreams people are the only ones who supplied a customized little graphic to show on the on the screen of nominees behind them. The robot and the dog are wearing tuxes with with bow ties and stuff in in their little their little panel. I was like, Oh man, they should give it to me just for that.
Jonathan Correia:Which by the way, what was what? Like I didn't watch I don't watch the Oscars I just get the news as they come in and stuff but like what was there they had a bit with the dog clapping know
James Jay Edwards:that well the dog from and there's a whole story behind that. But um, there's a dog in Anatomy of a Fall which was up for it actually one Best Original Screenplay, but it was For a bunch of awards, the director was up for Director and it was up for Best Picture and the actress Sandra Haller, who was also in Zone of Interest. She was up for Best Actress, but the dog Messy. He went to one of the Oscar luncheons and he's like a really cute, you know, personable dog. And I guess some of the other some of the other producers complain because not all Oscar voting was done. And they're like, all there. They're going to buy votes by having this cute dog campaign for them. It's like, well, you can have your stars there and campaigning to but they supposedly banned the dog from the ceremony. But they walked back on that because they let the dog and this dog is I mean that she's coming at I mean, I cut it. I cut it all out. But you guys, you know hear my dogs barking all the time while we're recording. This dog is super well behaved, but they would cut to him during the ceremony at times and they either had fake paws or they were moving his paws because they show his face or his little paws at the bottom. No,
Jonathan Correia:it was fake paws because I saw a picture of a guy like crouch below and you're getting to fake paws on sticks to do that. Yeah, but I just saw the clip where they're like cutting two people clapping and also you just see like Ryan Gosling just being like, What the fuck? Like the dive face of the dog lap and
James Jay Edwards:Ryan Gosling stole the whole thing if you haven't seen it, just look up him doing I am Ken because it that musical performance is amazing. I mean, it it. There are other cans from Barbie there and it's a whole production number. And about halfway through. And this isn't really a spoiler because he played on the track but slash and Wolfgang Van Halen pop out and they're like, you know, guitar Doolin and it
Jonathan Correia:and it was a they based it off of Gentlemen
James Jay Edwards:he was going through the audience, passing Prefer Blondes, the Marilyn Monroe performance to like even the backup dancers in the Kens were all dressed up like there the mic to people. So like, you know, Emma Stone and Greta was. And Ryan Gosling had like a gender flipped pink suit with the gloves to like, Yeah, as soon as he came out, I was like, Are they do Gentlemen Prefer Blondes and then sure enough, the backup dancers came out with the ties. I was like, ah, that's that's, that's great. And Gerwig. They all got the single line. It's it was it's really well. And the other high point of the show, was John Cena giving the Oscar for Best Costume. And he was naked.
Jonathan Correia:Wait, was that John Cena? Because all I saw was a floating envelope. You can't see. And since I can't see him, you can't see me. I'm waving my hand. I'm doing John Cena.
Jacob Davidson:One of my favorites was Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito. Calling out Michael Keaton is Batman since they were both Batman villains.
James Jay Edwards:Yep. And he was there. Michael Keaton was there too.
Jacob Davidson:He's in the audience. And he was like, Come get it.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, first of all that this how my evening when I was working on the podcast, getting the episode prepped and all that. And I saw Godzilla one. Godzilla minus one. One.
James Jay Edwards:That was the award. They gave away the twins reunion. But
Jonathan Correia:But all I saw was that it was I was like, Oh, that's really cool. And then I saw Oh, Schwarzenegger parents said today. And so I was like, You got to hear Schwarzenegger say Godzilla. It's hilarious. I'm like, That's great weight data to veto section. But there was a twitch where you did it. And so like, I slowly was getting all the information. And then someone's like, yeah, they made a Batman reference, because they were both villains. And they cut the key. And I was like, What the fuck happened? Like, basically, that sounded like the best moment of the night. And for as good as I did here, it was a really good broadcast, except for once again, the memoriam
James Jay Edwards:was it was the memorial was the worst that I can remember seeing. Because not only did they of course, they're always going to forget people. And you can kind of understand that. But the thing is, you couldn't even read the people because they were showing the dancers and the singers the whole time and, and they put the slides of the people up in the back. And it was only like the biggest ones where they leave on there for the longest time that you could actually read. And then they would show like these lists where the print was super tiny. You're like now? Yes, it's like nobody cares about these dancers or this and one of the singers, there were two singers. And one of them was a younger guy, and he was terrified. And you could tell whenever the camera was on him, he was like super. I mean, he was hitting the notes perfectly. He was saying great, but you could tell he was super nervous. It's like I'll give that guy a break. Let him sing his job and just cut to you know, show the slides on the TV. Yeah, it was the worst in memoriam that I can remember there being and there have been some bad ones. Alright, so now about the Oscars that went on longer than I thought I was going to be I thought we were just going to congratulate Godzilla and Zone of Interest and move on to his trip. The topic this week we're going to talk about and this I'm gonna let Correia expound on this because it was all his idea, but we're gonna talk about our favorite Trolls. Yeah, I have to admit, I'm not sure if I understand this assignment because all I'm going to do is talk about Justin Timberlake and Anna Kendrick. So explain what we're doing here. Well, there's
Jonathan Correia:three reasons why. Last episode, we talked about the Razzies, which are a bunch of internet trolls. And while I was in Breckenridge, Colorado, I got to meet the giant wooden troll. And also, I did want to give Jay an opportunity to talk about the Trolls trilogy and how much he loved it. But also, trolls fucking rule. I mean, just a Trolls are one of those things where like, it seems like almost every culture has, like, their own version of a troll. It's, and it's not taught like dragons, you know, like, why is that there's so many different kinds of trolls. Small, big, funny, scary. You know, actually goblins you know, it's there's just such a wide spectrum of trolls. I just wanted to take some time to celebrate the unsung heroes of fantasy and horror, which are trolls. So I want to kick off this discussion with the most terrifying troll to ever be on screen. And that's Trantor the troll from Ernest Scared Stupid. Because Ernest Scared Stupid, I saw that as a kid, and that is heavy New England mythology. It thrives on a lot of fears that happen when you're a kid growing up in the woods of New Hampshire. And that movie terrified the shit out of me with his three noses and everything. I was petrified of Trantor and I still haven't watched Ernest scared stupid since a kid because I'm all set with that. You know? We don't it's like graveyards at night. I don't mess with it. But yeah, what what are your what do you guys think is the scariest troll that you have seen on film? The
James Jay Edwards:scariest one for me. And I know that you're you're planning on talking about this too. So we'll just rip that band aid off. Is the Troll from Troll the Netflix movie that just a couple years old, which directed by the awesomely named roar? earthdog Yes. That's the most awesome name for the movies he makes because he also makes you know, The Wave and The Quake. You know those Norwegian disaster movies?
Jonathan Correia:Oh, I know them. Well. You guys know I love those movies.
James Jay Edwards:But yeah, that troll is that because he's like a Kaiju kind of troll. And he's kind of, I guess he's kind of made of stone. He's made of like natural material. You know, there's part of the movie where I think she goes into the footprint. She's, there's no organic material here. It's all dirt and rock. You know, they can't get basically any troll DNA out of one of the footprints. But um, yeah, he's like this giant rock kaiju who just destroys the shit out of Oslo.
Jonathan Correia:Oh, man, that movie fucking rules because it really did take like, the sensibilities of like these the natural disaster movies that they would make like The Wave, The Quake, and The Burning Sea? And when? How do we make a Kaiju film like this? And so it harkens a lot back to Godzilla when Godzilla is treated like a natural disaster. Only this time it's it's a massive, massive troll and I can't wait for the sequel. Oh, man. Obviously it was a guy that
James Jay Edwards:now that the sequel is in production, though, right?
Jonathan Correia:I mean, it is. I'm so excited. Yeah, I can't wait. Did you guys know that was one of my top films with that year. Yeah.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, I really got to watch that. It's still on my to do list. Oh,
Jonathan Correia:dude, you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. Jacob. Jacob, what was your scariest troll? Well,
Jacob Davidson:again, this is more a matter of personal opinion. But I was really creeped out by the Troll from the original Empire pictures. Troll movie by John Karl beekler Torok
Jonathan Correia:that was Sonny Bono. And it has a character named Harry Potter in it. And
Jacob Davidson:Harry Potter Jr. Yes. Harry Potter senior played by Michael Moriarty from Q the Winged Serpent. Yeah, no, it's weird movie. But ya know, this is something really creepy about that troll in particular is especially because like he's, you know, like, turns people into lay elf people and nimcet Yeah, turns Julia Louis Dreyfus into a forest name. Which she, which she played the footage of on her last appearance on Saturday Night Live. So it was pretty fun. But ya know, I mean, like John Carl beekler has effects really helped sell it because it's all these little practical effects. weird little monster people. And yeah, it's like Torok the troll trying to bring back his troll fantasy worlds. They turns everybody else into trolls and forest creatures and stuff. So yeah, it's a it's a weird little guy.
James Jay Edwards:It's worth noting that this movie is from I think it's 1986 86 Yeah, when they have a character named Harry Potter JK Rowling ripping them off. Oh,
Jonathan Correia:oh, sweetie you don't want to go down that hole because there's a Neil Gaiman story that you look at the cover and you're like yeah, anyway. But no, I mean what? Yeah, that it's such a fun movie and that weird that weird song they do and it's like mushroom singing and stuff man
Jacob Davidson:and the little goblins and trolls and stuff like that.
Jonathan Correia:Oh man. Yeah, no, the original Troll is really incredible and it's sequel, which we can't really talk that much about because even though it's called troll two it's not a single fucking troll in the movie. Yeah, because
Jacob Davidson:it's Nilbog it's goblin spelled backwards this is their kingdom title
Jonathan Correia:only but still one of the one of the all time greats
James Jay Edwards:Troll 2 actually holds the title they say of the best worst movie and I think there's was it a behind the scenes or
Jacob Davidson:was that documentary? Yeah. Michael Stephenson, the guy who was it who played the kid in Troll 2 made a documentary years later about kind of the cult effect it had and I'm actually in that documentary because they did a segment at a screening of Troll 2 at the Brattle Theatre in Boston in like 2006 or something and this was when Troll 2 fever was at an all time high or maybe you've observed but anyway yeah, so I so you can see me in the audience when they're talking to everybody. And they actually had like some of the stars of the movie do a round of Guitar Hero 2 because there's a Nilbog level and you can add and also like there's a big group hug with like, the guy that played the dad and like I'm one of the guys in the group hug with them.
James Jay Edwards:Between this and your appearance on Nick Arcade? We've got some
Jonathan Correia:No, we're not doing this again because it appears when we had a previous recording I think it was off recording Jacob said that he appeared on Nick Arcade at which of Nick Arcade is on Paramount plus and I wasted an entire fucking morning Oh my combing through the episodes trying to find young Jacob in it and I have still yet to find him. So I'm putting out a wanted if you can find Jacob in an episode of Nick Arcade or Best Worst Movie, I will I will send yourself that cool.
James Jay Edwards:I actually went while you were doing that Correia I went to see any similar shows just in case he had the show name. You know, maybe it wasn't Nick Arcade? It might have been one of those other game shows about arcade games and I couldn't find anything there either. So yeah, we're still on the hunt. Yeah, I
Jacob Davidson:gotta I gotta ask my folks because again, you gotta keep in mind I was like not even 10 years old when when I did that. So I need like a reminder like maybe my folks will remember better but I am in Best Worst Movie I mean, like only for like a scene so it's not even that prominent but you know it I am in there. Although if you want to see me really in the background is something you can see me in the background for Digging Up the Marrow. The Adam green found footage mockumentary type movie at assigning with Cain hotter. Wow, that is very prominent.
Jonathan Correia:We're not saying Jacob's lie. We're not accusing. Oh, we're just saying he's
James Jay Edwards:there. We just we think the details are missing. And that's what we're trying to piece together are it's a minute sleuthing,
Jonathan Correia:these these rabbit holes are dangerous, and I have too much stuff to do.
Jacob Davidson:I didn't force your hand. I didn't force your hand.
Jonathan Correia:But they but yeah, instilled the need instilled the want. And so, and thank you for reminding me because I do need to continue. Nick arcade.
Jacob Davidson:Oh, boy. Anywho
James Jay Edwards:you're binging Nick Arcade.
Jonathan Correia:trolls, TROLLS that are in movies? Yeah.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, well, it's not exactly a troll. But again, it's St. Patrick's Day. And I was at the midnight show. So I would I would like to mention Leprechaun. That that was a lot of fun. And, you know this. I mean, it's again, not exactly a troll, but I mean, it's, you know, an evil leprechaun, so I feel like it kind of fits that mold.
Jonathan Correia:I'm gonna fight you on that. It doesn't count. That's a leprechaun. That's different. That's I know, I know. Because
James Jay Edwards:leprechauns are imaginary. And Trolls are real that would say that.
Jacob Davidson:That is a big difference right there.
Jonathan Correia:And the proof is in the very real documentary called Troll Hunter. All right.
James Jay Edwards:Very real documentary. Yes, that is not gonna put anything on Netflix. It isn't true, right
Jonathan Correia:Troll Hunter. Which, I mean, I you everyone
Jacob Davidson:well let me ask you guys this. Do you prefer knows that I'm not the biggest fan of found footage films but Troll Hunter from 2010 is what are the best. I remember we showed that at the theater that I was a projectionist, and I sat in the crowd for the first time. And I compared it to being a kid again and watching Jurassic Park on the big screen just the fakeness the wonder of it the the world building of like what these trolls are and the different kinds of choices you get like five or six different kinds of trolls in that movie, your trolls like kgs sized larger than average? Or like, including ones that fart and it's amazing. So yeah, you want you want the best troll movie out there. I'm gonna give it to Troll Hunter I think that one handled the mythology handled the spectacle of it and grounded in reality in such wonderful ways. And it's, it's, it's yeah, it's a blast. I think it's on peacock and like a bunch of other things. But it's definitely on Tubi because of course it's not to be everything's on Tubi and little, little tiny troll sized?
Jonathan Correia:Like we know Jay's answer.
James Jay Edwards:I prefer them little tiny troll size. And not only that, I prefer them animated. And this is what a curry is waiting for. I love the Trolls animated movies. They're based on those troll dolls from like the 80s with the like fucked up hair. But I love those those movies and there's there's nothing horror about them. So I'm not going to spend too much time on him. But if you haven't seen him, I whenever I watch these movies, and it's always around awards, voting time I get sent a screener. I've never actually gone to a theater and seen one. But um, I'll be you know, in one room just cracking up laughing and my wife will come in and she'll be like, What are you watching? That's making you laugh so much. I'm all that's a Trolls Movie. The way they use music and the way you know, and the two main trolls are Justin Timberlake and Anna Kendrick, who are both amazing singers. So I mean, you have the way they use music is just amazing. And these movies and they're hysterical. They just they crack me up. They kill me. I have so much fun with them. Anyway, so yeah, I prefer my trolls animated and tiny.
Jonathan Correia:I mean, I haven't seen those movies. But that first one has that one fire song. You know, what is it? The Dance Dance Dance one? That's a that's a that's a banger?
James Jay Edwards:The newest one has inSync Renuion.
Jacob Davidson:I'm Eric Andre. Eric
James Jay Edwards:Andre plays one of Justin Timberlake. his character's name is branch. He it turns out he was in a boy band when he was a baby. And Eric Andre is one of his brothers.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, see if it was a reunion of the of Josie and the Pussycats? I would I would be more excited or
James Jay Edwards:don't even get me started. Josie and the Pussycats is in my top 10 All time I think I've already covered that. I loved Josie and the Pussycats. But
Jonathan Correia:for me when it comes to trolls I mean my you're talking size wise, I gotta go big. I mean, they don't have to be kaiju size I appreciate it when they are I love it when they are. But I mean the classic Billy. Billy Goat guff type troll under a bridge where they're like these big menacing things, but they're also a little like Billy Goat Gruff like you know you got to go to you. They're a little sassy you know when they're when they're about that size you know you're
James Jay Edwards:venturing into It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia territory with the the date that night man cometh gold at church roll toe Yeah, and Danny DeVito plays the role and he's all you got to pay the troll toll if you want to get this boy's whole well
Jonathan Correia:I'm sorry What do you say? No
James Jay Edwards:it's so boys soul soul that's what I'm saying boys whole
Jonathan Correia:so good. But no I mean Troll Hunter even had a troll under the bridge and it was brilliant because they had like a goat on the bridge to be bait and then like the Troll Hunter comes out in like this like fucking like Knight armor meets Iron Man shoddy put together thing and then he just gets absolutely like just wailed on and thrown around. It's great. But like those those type of trolls are great. I mean, Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters had a great troll bit where the troll was made to look like he was going to be evil and bad and all this stuff, but then he ends up helping them out and he had some of the gnarliest death scenes just like tearing people apart and squishing them and stuff.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, and played by Friday the 13th 2009 is Derek Mears.
Jonathan Correia:That's right yeah. Oh man it's
James Jay Edwards:one of my favorite parts about I think is it it's either Hatchet 3 or Victor Crowley Kane Hodder gets killed Derek me attached
Jacob Davidson:to three Yeah.
James Jay Edwards:If you know you know. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:that's great.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah. But ya know, I mean, I I'm always down for more actionized trolls because like in the original Lord of the Rings fellowship of the Rings You know when they find that cave troll?
Jonathan Correia:Oh, of course the cave troll Lord of the Rings. First of all, I, one of the great things about, you know, the Lord of the Rings universe is the stark difference between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings because the Hobbit is a fun fantasy. Not light read, but it's definitely its tone is much more fun, right than Lord of The Lord of the Rings is an epic, but you see the big difference in how they treat trolls because in Lord of the Rings, The Cave troll is menacing. It's huge and scary, right? But in The Hobbit you have the three trolls they're just shooting the shit being kind of little bat big bastards, you know, just being like, Oh, which one are we gonna eat, therefore doesn't have enough meat on its bones. You know, like, I love that type of troll. You know, I respect the cave troll. I love the cave troll, but like the Hobbit trolls are where it's at. And it's really cool because they made the Hobbit movies after Lord of the Rings. And if you notice when they freeze because the sun comes up because Bilbo tricks them. They freeze in the same position that they are in The Lord of the Rings movies. When you see them in that one scene. It's like almost blinking. You miss it. Little nod. But yeah, fun stuff. They need to be three movies. So two, it should have been two movies, but I'll get over it someday.
Jacob Davidson:Someday.
Jonathan Correia:No, I won't actually because I've seen the artwork that Guillermo del Toro made when he was developing that fucking movie. His orcs were incredible and insanely detail. Okay, I'm sorry. All right, I'll bring it up. Harry Potter troll. In the first movie, The troll in the bathroom. God that CGI? It was not good for its time and aged even worse. Like that was like Lawnmower Man level almost. Yeah, the PlayStation two version of the troll looked better than it did in that movie. That's about all I have to say about Harry Potter. The
Jacob Davidson:less said about Harry Potter, the better. Except the Harry Potter junior and senior in Troll.
James Jay Edwards:Bringing it back to Charles band.
Jonathan Correia:That's our that's our preferred trolls. But I also will be remissed if we don't bring up Border. Which Oh, yes.
James Jay Edwards:Now do you consider her a troll?
Jonathan Correia:They are shows they said they're trolls.
James Jay Edwards:They say they're trolls. Okay. Oh, yeah, they're trolls. And it might have gotten lost in the translation for
Jonathan Correia:me. Oh, yeah. And that's and that's again at the the cool thing about with anything that's like made up you can say whatever you want and its real because it's not there's no like true. Like thing like, you know, it's not like fish or you can say oh yeah, now fish fly and breathe there. It's like, well, no, that's not how fish work. But like, when you when you're talking about fantasy stuff. You know, the rules can always be better. You can always have like, do crucifix. Stop this vampire. No, no, not in our version. Wait,
James Jay Edwards:wait, wait. But we already determined that trolls are real. Oh,
Jonathan Correia:but there's been some history. There's real Charlson, there's fantasy trolls
James Jay Edwards:because of that real documentary troll. Right?
Jonathan Correia:Well, that's that's very specific type of trolls, right. But there's also all these different kinds of ones and I think that's what's so cool about trolls is that you can have like your total control so you can have an even in there you have your Hobbit trolls and then you have your cave trolls. But then you can have something like Border come out where it's another one that's like really steeped in realism, but also is like just a very horny movie. And all you have to know about Border is that it's incredible and it's extremely horny. It doesn't mean that it's erotic. It's just a horny movie. But it's it's incredible. So yeah, if if you're gonna walk away from this conversation, going what troll movie show I watch. It's Troll Hunter. It's Border. And it's Ernest Scared Stupid for me. What about you guys? Top three troll movies.
James Jay Edwards:Trolls. Here they come. Trolls and their back and the Goblet of trolls No. i My top three Trolls, Trolls World Tour and Trolls Band Together.
Jacob Davidson:Alright, you got the full set there. At dammit. Um, for me, I'd have to say Troll Hunter. Charles band Trolls Junko beekler. And Ernest Scared Stupid.
Jonathan Correia:Scared see fit?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, I mean, I gotta
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. And not to mention, Laika made the incredible Boxtrolls. So there's, there's, uh,
Jacob Davidson:oh, yeah, that was a good one, too. Basically, what
Jonathan Correia:I'm trying to say is trolls rule. Why don't people talk about trolls more often? You know,
Jacob Davidson:I think it's just that the term trolls just been superseded by people acting like assholes on the internet.
James Jay Edwards:I was gonna say trolls rule except for the more modern version of a troll, which is an internet troll.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, nobody likes internet trolls.
Jonathan Correia:thing. Oh,
Jacob Davidson:actually, that reminds me there was that great episode of What We Do In The Shadows. We're calling Robinson got into a tiff with somebody online and it turned out it was a literal internet troll. Like he goes to fight him and that it turns out it's this giant is trolling and Ali is going to kick his ass. So cool.
James Jay Edwards:What We Do in The SHadows.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, that would do that. Oh, yeah, they did. Yeah, I think if it was like Colin Robinson went out to Jersey City and yeah, there's this troll who has a cell phone and is trolling people online. But he's a big astral. So when they tried to fight me, he beats the shit out of them.
Jonathan Correia:So good.
James Jay Edwards:So literal troll. Okay. All right. Well, what are your favorite trolls in movies? What did we miss? Let us know. And don't troll us. Or troll us? I don't know. Sometimes we can be amused by it. But yeah, let's wrap this discussion about trolls up. Our theme song is by Restless Spirits. So go give them a listen. And our artwork is by Chris Fisher. So go give him a like, you can find us on any of the socials under @EyeOnHorror or at ihorror.com There's still time to vote for the iHorror words. At least I think there will still be by the time this posts. By the time we're recording. There is still time. But anyway, go vote for the iHorror awards. Yeah. And it's going to be the best international is going to be a real dogfight between When Evil Lurks and Godzilla minus one. So it's gonna need every vote. That's
Jonathan Correia:a hard choice. That's it is a tough choice. I was sitting there going, yeah.
James Jay Edwards:I pick because also there are two very different movies too. Yeah. So I mean, it's possible to like both of them the same. So yeah, it's a toughy. But yeah, go go check that out and go major, make your voice heard and the iHorror Awards, and we will see you in a couple of weeks. So for me James Jay Edwards.
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