Our Favorite Satans

The episode, the guys discuss Sparks, Vinegar Syndrome's The Archive, and Invasion of the Body Snatchers before delving into a conversation about their favorite onscreen depictions of the devil.

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James Jay Edwards: 0:25

Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official podcast of ihorror.com. This is Episode 72, otherwise known as season four, Episode 15. I'm your host James Jay Edwards and with me as always is your other host, Jacob Davison. How you doing Jacob?

Jacob Davidson: 0:39

I'm doing Well, I'm back from my trip on the east coast.

James Jay Edwards: 0:42

Yeah, you recorded from the the wrong coast. Not the best pieces from the bad coast.

Jacob Davidson: 0:47

Let's not get into that. James. Yeah. How'd you start this shit?

James Jay Edwards: 0:52

Are you still jet lagged

Jacob Davidson: 0:53

a little bit, which is why I'm glad we were able to do this on the relatively later side today.

James Jay Edwards: 0:58

Yeah. Well, that's because I had to work this morning, which Yeah, it's not jetlag. I'm just exhausted from having to work.

Jacob Davidson: 1:04

We're all tired.

James Jay Edwards: 1:06

Also with us yet again is your other other host, Jon Correia. What's happened in Correia?

Jonathan Correia: 1:10

I was about to say we might all live in California right now. But remember, two of your co hosts are from the east coast. So don't forget to come down here other than James insulting my homeland. I'm doing great.

James Jay Edwards: 1:26

It wasn't just your guys's homeland. It was the entire east coast. Okay. Florida to Maine

Jonathan Correia: 1:33

southeast coast. Can you know

Jacob Davidson: 1:36

that's a whole other can of worms right there.

Jonathan Correia: 1:38

That's a that's a different east coast. We're northeast.

James Jay Edwards: 1:41

Yeah, there's a huge difference between New England and say, Georgia huge difference. There's,

Jonathan Correia: 1:47

there's some really great parts of Georgia. I've had some real fun times. I've also had some real awful times in other parts of Georgia. So you know, it all depends on the company you keep no matter where you are. The early

James Jay Edwards: 2:02

in the morning is it's not that early, but here we are. So what's been going on? Once you guys but you know, I saw what is now my number three movie of the year, The Night House if you guys see this?

Jacob Davidson: 2:14

No, I'm actually seeing that today.

James Jay Edwards: 2:16

Oh my god, it's so good. I loved it. It's um, Rebecca Hall plays this woman whose husband has just committed suicide. And then she starts noticing all this weird stuff around the house, which kind of leads her to investigate and she discovers basically her husband's sordid past. Kind of that's it in a nutshell

Jacob Davidson: 2:34

don't spoil now. I'm

James Jay Edwards: 2:35

not gonna get through that. That's that's like the first five minutes. It is it's an It's amazing. It's it has like serious What Lies Beneath vibes, you know if you remember Zemeckis is Michelle Pfeiffer Harrison Ford movie from like, 20 years ago. It's very similar to that in like, theme and tone, but it is just, it's a really dark movie. And it's a loud movie. I actually had a screening link. So I saw it at home. And it was still like, shockingly loud. I can't even imagine what it's gonna be like in a theater. There's a couple places, it'll make you jump on volume alone. Which is kind of cheap. But it's still such that visually, it's David Bruckner who did a bunch of the, you know, like VHS and Southbound, a bunch of shorts. And then he also did The Ritual, which we all liked. Oh, yeah. Like a couple years ago.

Jonathan Correia: 3:20

Yeah.

James Jay Edwards: 3:21

It's really weird because the house that she lives in that her husband actually built for them to live in. And you'll see this when you see it. This is probably amazing. on a big screen, actually. There are parts where like, you'll see like a weird human figure. And you're like, why is that really there? And then something like, like, you'll see it through a window and then she'll close the door and it'll be gone. You're like, Oh, it was there. And now it's not it's like, plays tricks with you Like, they're all these like little almost like, Haunting of Hell House type, you know, hidden ghosts, and it's so crazy. And then they get more obvious as you go on. So you can tell that it wasn't your imagination. They were put there. Oh, it's so good.

Jacob Davidson: 3:57

Yeah, I'm interested in seeing this because this is gonna be the same team that's doing the new Hellraiser. Yes. Bruckner and Piotrowski.

James Jay Edwards: 4:04

Yeah. And the other writer too, I forget his name. But yeah, the two writers and Bruckner are all behind the new Hellraiser, which this has been sitting, because the COVID has been sitting on a shelf for like a year and a half, I think. So this is one of those COVID maybe they were waiting to release it into theaters, you know, similar to A Quiet Place 2. But yeah, this one, it's actually you know, not quite Saint Maud old, but it's pretty old.

Jacob Davidson: 4:29

Well, while I was on the East Coast, I visited one of my favorite places in the world. Vinegar syndromes headquarters, the archive in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. Jonathan actually just went for the first time not too long ago himself.

Jonathan Correia: 4:43

Yeah, it was it was perfect timing too, because I was already driving from Massachusetts to Philadelphia, because, you know, we hate ourselves in the production world. But it was a perfect like, middle middle of the way stop. Yeah.

Jacob Davidson: 4:55

But anyway, yeah. So I got to visit one of my favorite places on the east coast. The Archive in Bridgeport, Connecticut, which is kind of Vinegar Syndromes headquarters, where they do all their lab work, but they also have a pretty awesome storefront. So I met up with a friend, and it's really cool being there now, because the last time I went, you can only just pick stuff up at the warehouse, you couldn't actually go inside during the pandemic. So they've fully remodeled the place and now it's a like three story structure. Like they got the whole place set up, like basement levels, mostly vinyls, VHS, first floors, like all the blu rays and used stuff and memorabilia. And then the third floor they've got like all the new vinyl and a lot of other kind of posters and products,

Jonathan Correia: 5:41

I think, oops, I didn't know there was a third floor. I only went on the basement and first floor when I went fuck

Jacob Davidson: 5:47

it, then you miss an entire floor.

Jonathan Correia: 5:49

It was probably good. I already I spent 200 bucks there. So for the best I didn't Well, I mean, dude, I had to get Rollerball in 4k. Like that was $75 right there.

James Jay Edwards: 5:59

So how many times do you own? Have you owned rollerball,

Jonathan Correia: 6:02

this is my third. Third. I have the I have the Shout Factory, The Arrow Video and now I have this German media book in 4k. Which is brilliant because it has a Running Man trailer in German, which just made my week

James Jay Edwards: 6:17

I don't even have the the Arrow and the Shout Factory. I just have the old Was it a Twilight Time? Is that who did it before?

Jonathan Correia: 6:25

Oh, that's what I have. Sorry? Not Oh, you

James Jay Edwards: 6:26

have that? Oh,

Jonathan Correia: 6:27

I have the Twilight Time. And the the first run of it. Yeah,

James Jay Edwards: 6:31

I was gonna say I might have completely missed the Shout Factory one because I don't remember,

Jonathan Correia: 6:35

I get confused. Because sometimes there's like a few that Shout ad Arrow have done so like I have that with like, Phantom of the Paradise, you know, stuff like that. I'm about to own like a fuck ton more like The Thing when the 4k copy drops?

James Jay Edwards: 6:48

When are you going to have the ultimate version of The Thing?

Jacob Davidson: 6:51

I don't think it'll ever existed. And they're just going to keep re releasing The Thing for as long as media exists.

James Jay Edwards: 6:58

I feel like I have the ultimate version of Night of Living Dead with the Criterion. Yeah. Do you think you're ever going to get to that point with The Thing?

Jonathan Correia: 7:05

I mean, I don't know. Because the the issue with The Thing's releases, especially when it comes to the blu rays is there's two different transfers. There's the 4k transfer from Arrow. And they released a limited edition that's absolutely gorgeous. But then Scream Factory did a 2k transfer. And that one was supervised by the original DP. So the color grading is a little different between the two. And so it's hard to pick which one I like. And then of course, there's the new 4k disc that's coming out. And there's like three versions of that there's two steel books. There's the North American steel book that's, that's impossible to get right now. And then there's Zavvi one. And then there's the studiocanal, which has two versions of it. There's the beefy boy that comes with like poster and a bunch of other goofy shit. And then there's like the regular version. So like, you know, I mean,

Jacob Davidson: 7:53

you're just gonna buy them all,

Jonathan Correia: 7:54

it's Pokemon Gotta catch them all, you know,

James Jay Edwards: 7:56

so would you say you're a collector?

Jonathan Correia: 7:58

I mean, if

James Jay Edwards: 8:00

you ever get rid of them now,

Jonathan Correia: 8:01

I wouldn't say I'm a collector. I only own like, over 4000 movies. So I mean, now Do

James Jay Edwards: 8:07

you ever get rid of stuff?

Jonathan Correia: 8:09

Oh, yeah. No, I caul it's like a library system. I actually have this giant shopping bag that I you know, reusable, that I slowly fill up with stuff that go Alright, I don't need this anymore. Or if it's like alright, I bought this at Dollar Tree a year ago and I haven't watched it let's get rid of it. You know, stuff like that, you know, or and

Jacob Davidson: 8:27

then he gave me a bunch of stuff from Dollar Tree.

James Jay Edwards: 8:29

The Dollar Tree fine. It's like a trap because you go into it. You're like, Oh, am I ever gonna watch this but it's only $1 you know, it's it's a it's a slippery slope and Dollar Tree

Jacob Davidson: 8:39

is taken a step back. So, Jon, like, what other stuff Did you get while you were at the archive?

Jonathan Correia: 8:45

I mostly work because at the time all the new releases and stuff were stuff I already had pre ordered or were already at the house and I just wasn't home yet. So I mostly beefed up on my I've been trying to collect as many of the Drafthouse Film titles as I can get my hands on so I was able to get a few of those I got like Graceland and Klown but yeah, I'm still missing a few so if anyone wants to sell me a copy of 20,000 days on earth or The Tribe, let me know.

Jacob Davidson: 9:12

As for me, I decided to wait and pick up the new Vinegar Syndrome stuff while I was there. So I got a The Lamp you know, aka the the genie slasher movie from the 80s. And this interesting regional Texas horror action comedy movie called Through the Fire, which strangely enough, was also billed as a City of the Living Dead or sorry, Gates of Hell 2: Dead Reckoning like a unofficial sequel to loot your full cheese Gates of Hell, for no reason and with very little to no connectivity. And the third one I was pretty excited about it's another Fun City Editions. You know, it's gotten so it's kind of like more kind of cold film. It's Rancho Deluxe Which was like a weed Western road movie with Jeff Bridges and Sam Waterston and Harry Dean Stanton Slim Pickens. And yeah, they were all they were all great. And it was and it's just so cool to pick up stuff from, you know, an actual place instead of having to place an online order, you know, yeah, where's the charm?

James Jay Edwards: 10:22

Speaking of going to an actual place, I actually went to a screening, like I usually get like a San Diego is a Delta hotspot. So it takes kind of a big deal for me to get out to a theater screening. But I went to one because also it was was press only, it wasn't one of those 90% full deals, but I saw Shang-Chi. Oh, yeah, the new Marvel movie that opens I think on the third so I hope I'm not breaking embargo on this when this posts But anyway, it's um, it's actually a pretty cool it's, it's you could tell Marvel is turning a corner, you could tell a little bit with Black Widow, but now they fully turned that corner because I mean, the other characters are there, but there are, well this one, not many of them are because this is its own standalone story. But of course, there's you know, mid and post credit scenes that bring it into you know, that bring it into the universe. But it's basically like a Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon kind of martial arts thing, but it's Marvel slick, and there's like Marvel effects and stuff in it. But there's a lot of kick ass kung fu in it to fuck yeah, it's pretty cool. And there's one villain who he looks like a professional wrestler. I think he he might be in the Marvel Universe. I'm not familiar enough with it. He They call him Razor Fist.

Jacob Davidson: 11:37

Oh, yeah. He's an actual character. Yeah, he

James Jay Edwards: 11:39

basically has one of his hands is a laser. A laser knife. And he's, he's, he's crazy core.

Jacob Davidson: 11:48

Yeah, he's comics is even crazier, because both his hands are razors. Oh, no, he

James Jay Edwards: 11:55

had a regular he had one regular hand. And then he had a like, it's like a laser machete. Mm hmm. It was pretty crazy. But like, um, Awkwafina is in it. And she is like, just all comic, you know, like she she's the, you know, tension breaking laughter in the middle of these fight scenes. It's it's pretty funny. But it's, it's directed by Destin. Daniel cretton is the guy's name and he did Just Mercy a couple years ago. And then he did Short Term 12, which is it's not horror at all. But it's an incredible. So there's a it's weird, because there's a lot of like, it takes it down. And there's like, a lot of philosophical and familial like conversations. But then I was impressed with how well he did the action because you we've never seen that from him before. But if you're familiar with his movies, you can tell one of the characters who pops up in the mid credit scene because it's an actor that he has worked with in all of his movies, who is also in the Marvel Universe. And that's all I'm gonna say about that. You can research it if you want, but it's just the mid credit scene. So not really spoiling even if you research it,

Jonathan Correia: 12:57

and no spoils. And we did that it was last episode. Yeah. You know what the sport telling

James Jay Edwards: 13:02

people there's a mid credits in a post credit scene to a Marvel movie isn't spoiling and

Jonathan Correia: 13:09

I watched this movie because one of our previous guys, Paul recommended it on Twitter. Have you guys seen Till Death? The Megan Fox movie

James Jay Edwards: 13:17

I've been meaning to it's pretty new, right?

Jonathan Correia: 13:19

Yeah, it came out last month, like early July. And it's really solid, like the trailer and the premise makes it sound like it's gonna like it's a knockoff of Gerald's Game. Because essentially, Megan Fox's character gets handcuffed to the corpse of her dead husband. And I'm just gonna leave it at you know that she's in like a secluded well they go to a secluded place to have like a romantic weekend. And then stuff happens in it that ends up happening. And that premise alone sounds like Gerald's game, you know, except instead of tied to a bed, she's tied to the corpse that was a Tales from the Crypt episode.

James Jay Edwards: 13:55

Do you ever see that? Tilton

Jacob Davidson: 13:57

McLachlan episode? Yeah.

James Jay Edwards: 13:59

Yeah. The convict is handcuffed to the cop.

Jonathan Correia: 14:01

Yeah. And

James Jay Edwards: 14:02

the vultures start circling because they're in the day. Oh,

Jonathan Correia: 14:05

but Well, yeah. Kind of. But no, it's it's honestly really good. It's very solid. The the beginning I think I was too wrapped up in like the first 15 minutes or so of the this is very Gerald's Game. Wow. This is very Gerald's Game. But then once it breaks away from that it's a really tight thriller. And Megan Fox gives a really good performance. There's a lot of great bits of her trying to like move around with the corpse and whatnot. They make really good use of the wintery environment that that it's in and the blinder you go into how it differentiates from the from Gerald's Game, the better, but just know that it's not a ripoff of it. It's not a carbon copy. They just share a slightly similar beginning. But yeah, I would highly recommend it. Once it comes to like a streaming service or something like it's worth checking out.

James Jay Edwards: 14:59

What is it on

Jonathan Correia: 15:00

I don't know when I've rented it. Yeah, I rented it on YouTube. It was like, four or five bucks to rent and I was like, yeah, I'm interested enough in it. I also finally watched Butcher Baker Nightmare Maker.

Jacob Davidson: 15:13

Oh shit, that movie is fucking crazy.

Jonathan Correia: 15:16

That movie. Like I all I knew was its kick ass artwork, and it's absolutely phenomenal title. And I knew nothing else about that movie and I had no idea what the fuck was gonna happen? What a weird movie and I think they dropped the F bomb. Like not fuck the the other worst. The worst one.

James Jay Edwards: 15:40

The one that is the only thing about the Warriors that I can't stand. Yeah, I love the warriors. But every time Ajax says the other F word. I'm like, dude, killing this movie for me. Yeah.

Jonathan Correia: 15:52

But Ajax is a piece of shit. So it works out and the Cop in and Butcher Baker is a piece of shit, but like, holy crap, he says, it's so much like you could almost you can do a drinking game with it and get blackout trashed, because it said so much like that, that hindered it quite a bit. But yeah, What a weird movie. And like, I the whole time I was sitting there. I was like, man, I really want to remake this movie, just because that title is so cool. So I want to use it but like, What a strange Strange movie and like, yeah, that new Code Red release for it that just came out that keynote distributed as a really good release. And it looks phenomenal for free and still kept it's like Grindhouseiness

Jacob Davidson: 16:34

and also was one of Bill Paxton, his first major roles.

Jonathan Correia: 16:37

Paxton was in it for like two seconds.

Jacob Davidson: 16:40

He got a couple scenes and he stole the show every time he Yeah, he was good at basketball.

Jonathan Correia: 16:45

Well, I mean, Bill Paxton, at that time was was the high school bully a lot, you know, yeah.

Jacob Davidson: 16:50

You know, he had to schtick

James Jay Edwards: 16:52

his Code Red still putting stuff out?

Jonathan Correia: 16:54

Yeah, they they have a partnership with Kino lorber. Actually. So they're getting a lot of distribution there.

James Jay Edwards: 17:00

I at one point wasn't the guy behind Code Red really sick, and they thought that that he was gonna hang it up?

Jacob Davidson: 17:06

Yeah, I kind of remember something about that.

Jonathan Correia: 17:07

Yeah, I think that's why they're, they're doing that. And then also a lot of titles that they've distributed are being distributed by other labels. Like I know, Grizzly was a Code Red title, and now Severin has, you know, stuff like that. So I it's I'm just glad that they made that partnership with Kino because now those titles that they were that they had for a while that were long out of print are now getting re released and Butcher Baker was one that I was really bummed to miss out on. So I was I was happy to get that

James Jay Edwards: 17:34

was Code Red the ones who did Savage Streets. Yes,

Jonathan Correia: 17:38

they did do one of the people who's done it ever shoot that movie has been rereleased like four or five times

James Jay Edwards: 17:43

and they did The Dark and they did Grizzly. So those are three of my formative year movies. The Code Red just picking through my childhood.

Jacob Davidson: 17:51

And speaking of label news, Did you guys hear about Severin and Drop Dead Fred?

James Jay Edwards: 17:56

Yeah, they dropped it.

Jonathan Correia: 17:57

I literally a few days prior just pre ordered it through DiabolikDVD. So I'm waiting to hear on what's happening with that, but I pre ordered it with another item so we'll see But yeah, that's I yeah, that's that's a real bummer. Because I know Severin was really really excited about releasing that title.

James Jay Edwards: 18:14

Well supposedly, it's going to be they said someone else's putting it out and that announcement will be soon so yeah, it kind of looks like they may have jumped the gun on announcing they had the rights and someone else actually had them. I don't know. I don't know exactly what happened. But

Jacob Davidson: 18:29

yeah, they even interviewed the director Art dejon on their podcast talking about it so I don't know what could have happened. It's Yeah, it sounded like they really thought they had it in the bag

Jonathan Correia: 18:40

rights issues are weird man

James Jay Edwards: 18:41

they had started work on it so clearly you don't do that unless you know that you have the rights. So there definitely was maybe the wrong person who the person who didn't own them sold them the rights. I don't know it. I don't know if we'll ever know exactly what happened with that. But it's unfortunate, unfortunate for Severin because that would have been a good title for them.

Jacob Davidson: 19:00

It really would have

Jonathan Correia: 19:01

Yeah, especially since they're kind of branching out a bit like they just released Overboard.

Jacob Davidson: 19:06

Yeah. Which is the weirdest Severin

Jonathan Correia: 19:08

I love it dude. I love that they're that they're throwing in a few titles like that and that they're doing that and expanding their catalogue you know to have more appeal like Shout

James Jay Edwards: 19:19

did Shout Selects where they could put stuff like Streets of Fire and Wild at Heart with it doesn't quite fit into Scream Factory, you know, but not quite into like the retro shout stuff. Severin just said we're releasing a Severin they don't even call it like Severin, Severin humor or whatever, you know, yeah, they could have done a sub label but they didn't. They're just like this is a Severin release,

Jonathan Correia: 19:40

which shouts select as they're varied in quality because there's some like really great titles and they're like Streets of Fire like Deer Hunter. And then there's some like weird ones like that. Like that really bad Brie Larson Bollywood inspired movie that's just like not good at all. And it's like you Yeah, he put that under the same label as those. Okay. Interesting. I mean, it's it's no Kino Lorber we're putting out It's Pat because it's a bundle deal. I forgot

James Jay Edwards: 20:10

to say Didn't we discuss this just like two episodes ago? Yeah.

Jonathan Correia: 20:14

And someday you know Rampage will be inducted into the Criterion Collection you know,

Jacob Davidson: 20:20

like Freddy Got Fingered? It was I actually did see Freddy Got Fingered for the 20th anniversary on Friday. So white horror, but it is horrifying.

Jonathan Correia: 20:32

I didn't see it very much so that fucking deer scene.

Jacob Davidson: 20:35

Oh god.

James Jay Edwards: 20:37

If Rampage rampages ever inducted is ever released on Criterion, they better come to us to do the commentary.

Jonathan Correia: 20:43

At least one of the tracks

James Jay Edwards: 20:44

I'm throwing the gauntlet down criteria and I know that you guys don't listen to us, but we will bring Paul in the three of us and Paul.

Jonathan Correia: 20:53

Oh, yeah, I we can't not bring in Paul

James Jay Edwards: 20:55

called the podcaster commentary of rampage make it happen.

Jonathan Correia: 21:00

I mean, we should just record our own commentary and like offer it for free. You know, we

James Jay Edwards: 21:04

should do every time we hear somebody putting out Rampage will be like Oh, hey, you want this comment? A wall full of rejection letters.

Jonathan Correia: 21:13

Oh, it'll be brilliant. It'll go right next. Oh, my Rampage action figures.

Jacob Davidson: 21:16

So many. Oh, yeah.

Jonathan Correia: 21:18

Oh, not horror. I'm gonna say real quick. Finally watched Annette. Absolutely brilliant. Loved it. Incredible.

James Jay Edwards: 21:25

I'm going to allow it because I I watched it as well. It's brilliant. It's so much. And the thing. The thing is, I remember I had a screener of it. And Correia has been talking about the sparks movie. He calls it the sparks movie. And I thought he was talking about the documentary. There's a documentary called the Sparks Brothers. So also brilliant. I put on a net and the very first scene, frickin sparks is in the movies singing the opening song and I'm like,

Jonathan Correia: 21:52

RON AND RUSSEL!

James Jay Edwards: 21:52

was Yeah, I paused it and I texted him Oh, hey, when you were talking about the sparks movie? Did you mean Annette? And he's like, Oh yeah, I can't wait that movie I'm I have a screamer right now I'm watching it right now it's you know Sparks is in it he's almost that's why I call it the Sparks Musical

Jonathan Correia: 22:07

Well, they've been trying to like make a movie for free and if you watch the sparks brothers documentary you know they've been trying to they even they have a bit roll in the in the disaster movie Rollercoaster which we double featured with Annette which wow roller coaster What? That was cool. That was a that was a that was a sit that was a sit through. Literally we cheered when Sparks came on because I was the main reason why we kept watching we're like alright sparks is going to be on the screen student Sparks is going to be on screen. So not until the final act is Sparks there. But also how brilliant is that? You see a team of people diffusing a bomb while Ron and Russell's jamming out and Ron, they keep cutting back and Ron's just like standing there awkwardly. And then also you just start smashing his piano bench. It's It's great. Yeah. Annette's fantastic. It's everything I wanted and then a fuck ton of other stuff. I didn't know I wanted out of it just like any

James Jay Edwards: 23:00

cuz they they want and we're talking a lot about it. I mean, you can kind of say it's horror, because it's really dark. And fantastical. Yeah, yeah, it very much is

Jonathan Correia: 23:08

majestical.

James Jay Edwards: 23:09

Spark's brothers have wanted to do this movie for decades. And they were gonna release as a concept album because they couldn't get any takers. But then they met Leah carex who did Holy Motors at like Cannes or Sundance or somewhere and he's like, hey, yeah, pitch it to me. And he agreed so that's that's who made this movie

Jonathan Correia: 23:28

and they've been developing it for 10 years like that was 10 years ago they met at Cannes and like

James Jay Edwards: 23:33

if you don't know who sparks is, they've been making music since the 70s. But most people know them from there's like this one off new wave hit they did with Jane Wheatland the go Go's that I want to go to Cool Places with you want to go to Cool Places tonight That's their big claim to fame and that but they've done that lots of

Jonathan Correia: 23:53

big claims to fame

James Jay Edwards: 23:54

well but that's the one when if you say sparks to someone who is not free with the band they go I want to go to Cooper song This town

Jonathan Correia: 24:03

is is isn't big enough for the both of us was there first and then of course music you can dance to was used in the brilliant BMX dance scene and RAD like they've had a hit in almost every decade.

James Jay Edwards: 24:16

You know, they've been around forever and but it's it's like a cult thing. And yeah, so it's it's it's really fun to see it was just so exciting that you know, when I put it all together and I'm like Oh, wait, are you talking about Annette? Because I knew nothing about a net when I got the screener it just been recommended to me by a couple of my critics guild friends and then I I found the email from the rep offered up a link and I'm like oh yeah, let me take a look at this. And then sparks is on the screen. They're actually in it it's not just hear their music. They're in the opening scene. You're like all you don't have to wait to the last act to see him in a net. They're like, right.

Jonathan Correia: 24:49

Yeah. And and you hear them too in the soundtrack throughout as well. But yeah, there were some really brilliant performances that final musical number With the with the little girl like tore my heart apart, and then I forget the actor's name, but the one from the Big Bang Theory,

James Jay Edwards: 25:07

Simon helberg Simon helberg

Jonathan Correia: 25:10

Yeah, he gave such an amazing performance. in Annette there's, there's one scene where he's conducting. And he's talking, and he's singing to the camera as the cameras going around him and one, one shot. And he's just like, going through shit. And he just keeps, like, pause and go, hold on to one moment. And then he just goes back into some intense conducting. And it's such a great performance,

James Jay Edwards: 25:33

Annette that the music and Anette is that they tell the story through the music through the lyrics. So like, you'll get a lot of like exposition, like at one point, Simon helberg is playing the piano and the opera singer is her name is Anne. And he's playing the piano and the accompanist Fran and you're like it's like, Okay. Yeah, we see it, and now we're hearing it. So there's a lot of that, but the scene you're talking about is incredible, because he's delivering exposition, but he's also conducting this orchestra. And then he goes, hold on a sec, and he has to like, he has to do his job. Then he comes back to you. Yeah, it's it's funny. I saw a thing on Twitter where they're talking about, they're saying something about that. The biggest takeaway from aAnnette that Simon helberg is hot. There's a picture of him he's got this shaggy hair and this beard, you're like, Oh, no, he there's no bowl haircut. You know? It from the big banker. He's, he's like a chameleon in it.

Jonathan Correia: 26:24

Who knew that a bocce and turtleneck could like, you know, knock someone down a few pegs on the attraction scale, like so hard. Like to him, dude.

Jacob Davidson: 26:34

But yeah, it sounds like Annette is something we're seeing in theaters.

Jonathan Correia: 26:38

I think it is playing in select theaters. But if you can't see it in theaters, it is on Amazon Prime right now.

Jacob Davidson: 26:44

Okay,

James Jay Edwards: 26:45

it is a visual spectacle. But you know, I saw it on I actually moved to my big TV went when I saw Sparks on it. I'm like, Oh, you know what, I'm moving to the big TV. So it is I'm not sure if it's in theaters anymore because because it is on prime now.

Jacob Davidson: 27:00

Yeah, either way. I want to check it out. Yeah. And last night, I saw the 1978 Invasion of the Body Snatchers at midnight, over at the new Beverly.

Jonathan Correia: 27:10

Nice wait which Which one?

Jacob Davidson: 27:12

The 1978

Jonathan Correia: 27:13

78 God

Jacob Davidson: 27:14

Its got Donald Sutherland. Let's see. Jeff Goldblum, Leonard Nimoy, Meg Tilly. It is really stacked cast

Jonathan Correia: 27:22

great performance by Leonard Nimoy. I know people talk about Donald Donald Sutherland, Jeff Goldblum a lot from that, but Nimoy fucking killed it.

Jacob Davidson: 27:30

And that Oh, yeah. No, he's a standout. And it is a great midnight movie, especially, you know, if you're not used to doing midnight movies, because you got to struggle to stay awake, because it is kind of a slow burn thing. And it's pretty long. It's almost two hours. Yeah. But you know, it was great with a crowd. And you know, that's the thing like Invasion of the Body Snatchers has been remade so many times there's so many derivatives or inspirations. Like I actually rewatch the 90s Abel Ferrara one before I went to see the 78 one and that would be that's great. That is a good one but i think you know of them all. I think the 78 version is probably the best one

Jonathan Correia: 28:07

Yeah, I definitely in my rankings it's 78 and then and then the originals very close behind it and then very close behind that is the 90s and then the The Invasion is somewhere like very far off

James Jay Edwards: 28:23

my rankings pretty much echo yours Correia, I think says 78 then the original and then evils and then yeah, the Nicole Kidman when sometimes I even forget that that

Jonathan Correia: 28:33

was made I have it on HD DVD and I still haven't like brought myself to rewatch I think I saw it in theaters as a teen and I was just very upset because I was so obsessed with the 50s version at the time

James Jay Edwards: 28:45

you know what's a really fun midnight movie that I saw that I was surprised how well it played with midnight crowd They Live

Jacob Davidson: 28:50

Oh that's a good one in fact a new Beverly is going to be doing a bid night event next month

James Jay Edwards: 28:54

Oh go to and it's it plays so well with a crowd at midnight especially that big you know what is it a 10 minute wrestling match in the middle?

Jonathan Correia: 29:03

Put on the glasses? No!

Jacob Davidson: 29:05

either you put on those glasses or you start eating that trash can and honestly just one other thing that the first the first crowd of people to get in got these Invasion of the Body Snatchers programs from the original release so jackin it also they should really should bring back programs for movies because Tarantino did it for you know Hateful Eight and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood to an extent it just is it's just really cool and it kind of arts up the movies like this movie is so high end that they you get a program about like the making of and interviews and profiles and stuff.

James Jay Edwards: 29:45

Is that a reprint or is it an original from 78?

Jacob Davidson: 29:48

I'm not sure I mean, I think it might be an original just because it's kind of an old paper but

James Jay Edwards: 29:53

I was gonna say it looks old but they have ways of making of printing things so they look old to

Jacob Davidson: 29:58

true but Yeah, I don't know just either way I'm fighting for programs for movies again, you know that I mean, it just really adds to the experience for you listeners,

James Jay Edwards: 30:09

he Jacob was holding it up. That's how we can see kind of what I was when I start editing these and I when we start talking about things we're holding on like, Oh shit. That doesn't make any sense.

Jonathan Correia: 30:20

podcasting isn't a visual medium?

James Jay Edwards: 30:23

No,

Jacob Davidson: 30:24

I gotta use the mind's eye.

Jonathan Correia: 30:26

I have been dolling myself up for these recordings for years now. How long have you doing this?

James Jay Edwards: 30:33

Three, four seasons proxy two and a half years maybe?

Jonathan Correia: 30:36

Well, yeah, well, I don't know. That works. But yeah, Time.

James Jay Edwards: 30:42

Time is a construct.

Jonathan Correia: 30:43

Speaking of time, I think it's segue time. You see, that's how you do a great subtle segue.

Jacob Davidson: 30:51

segue o'clock segue. Yes,

Jonathan Correia: 30:53

yes. I'm gonna hold up this thing for everyone to see. So I just got this great book, adding to my collection of Satan books about Satan and whatnot. This one's called Satanic Panic Pop Cultural Paranoia in the 1980s. It's from fad press. And whose advice? It is Carola Janis. And Paul kurup.

James Jay Edwards: 31:17

Did you get it on Amazon? I'm really interested in this book. So but yeah,

Jonathan Correia: 31:21

it's currently you can get it on Amazon for 25 bucks, but it's also on other things. I always try to recommend thrift books I because I love thriftbooks.com. I have bought so many books from them over the pandemic. But yeah, it's available everywhere.

James Jay Edwards: 31:36

This Hamilton books have it yet, because that's where it'll get cheap.

Jonathan Correia: 31:40

I don't know. eventually it'll get cheap there. But it's absolutely a great read. I only started I just got it yesterday. So I've only been able to kind of flip through it. But what's great is it's got all these great images all these great, like artifacts and stuff from the time of the great Satanic Panic of the 1980s. They dive into you know, parents, Radek, you know, ratting on their kids and the D&D scare have it all and it I'm really looking forward to diving into it and

James Jay Edwards: 32:10

Dee Snider, john Denver and Frank Zappa all teaming up to go against Congress.

Jonathan Correia: 32:15

Yeah, it's all in there, which is great, because I'm also reading this book by PR, fac snelled called Satanic Feminism, which is all about Lucifer as the Liberator of Women in the 19th century culture. That one is a very dense read.

Jacob Davidson: 32:32

How many books about saying Do you have because you mentioned you have a collection?

Jonathan Correia: 32:36

I just I just a few, you know, just, I mean, he there's there's a few academics, there's a few conjuring ones. There's a few You know, there's a few just for laughs No, but definitely like on the academic scale, like the satanic feminism. One is a very dense read, which is great. Also, it's a great book to just be reading in public, especially when you're like traveling through Texas and whatnot. If you're ever on an airplane, this is my travel advice to anybody if you're ever on an airplane, and you don't want anyone to talk to you just whip out a book that has Satanic Feminism in the title. Everyone will leave you alone. But yes, the satanic panic book I'm super excited for and that's why we want to discuss our favorite on screen Satans that's a ebird Satan's Yeah, now we're not talking about movies that allude to a Satan or, you know, they're say tannic influence. We want to talk about the Dark Lord himself on screen as a presence. And the funny

James Jay Edwards: 33:40

thing is, when we were discussing this topic, we realized that there aren't and this episode is, is

Jonathan Correia: 33:45

And it's the third one in the series right? flying pretty far away from horror, but we discovered that most on screen Satans are in comedies, they're not even in or movies. And the one that I immediately thought of when Correia broach this topic was in I think it was 1984 George Burns

James Jay Edwards: 34:03

Yeah, yeah, it's the third Yeah, there's Oh and Oh God, You Devil. And he plays both God and the devil. god, no God book too, but Oh God, You devil. And it's basically a Faustian Tale because there's this musician who wants to be a rock star and the devil give makes him to steal and so God has to step in and save him. But that George Burt, it's George Burns I mean, he's not like dressed up with horns and red skin or anything but he'll like lightest cigar with just his finger things like that just like just subtle devil things that you know if he appears to this to this musician as just a manager he's all Yeah, I can make that happen for you Just sign here.

Jacob Davidson: 34:48

Classic

Jonathan Correia: 34:49

now I have to say one of my favorite on screen Satans has to be from a not super like film but the Constantine film with Keanu Reeves. I know, I know it's not you know, the the most accurate depiction from the comics. I mean, Keanu Reeves is neither British nor blonde. But that movie still on its own is really solid. And I think one of the main reasons besides you know, Tilda Swinton being absolutely awesome, as usual. Yeah,

James Jay Edwards: 35:20

I was gonna say that in everything. Yeah.

Jonathan Correia: 35:22

And I always like to give the fact that that's the one movie where they didn't have to CG out till till two Swindon's wings, you know. But Peter stormare, as Satan in that movie was terrifying. Like, he was creepy. He was greasy. Like, he appears in like the final act, and there's just like, black ooze coming off of him. And it's such a unique and different take, because we're so used to the fire and brimstone. But here he is, anything, it's incorporating that but like in a goofy, gross way. And it just it works. It works so well. And he's just, he's a presence. And and it's, yeah, that that has to be one of my top five Satans. Yeah. on my end, the

Jacob Davidson: 36:05

first one that comes to mind when I think on screen portrayal of the devil would have to be Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate, because God, he went all in on that roll. You guys seen it? Right?

Jonathan Correia: 36:20

Yeah, that that was nine B's pachino when he was leaving, when he started doing like the after, because after Scarface, he was like, Oh, I'm gonna show everything and then they give him an award for it for a Scent of a Woman. So I was like, Oh, yeah, I'm going to just keep doing this, but it works really well. With him playing Satan's

James Jay Edwards: 36:37

that's also Keanu. Right?

Jacob Davidson: 36:39

Yeah, that was another Keanu Reeves. Moving kana

James Jay Edwards: 36:41

plays opposite Satan a lot.

Jacob Davidson: 36:43

Oh, yeah. It's It was his jam, especially in the 90s, early 2000s. But yeah, just a buddy Al PaChino really did a good job with that role. Because Yeah, I mean, yeah, he does a lot of screaming mostly toward the end. But he, he is a charmer for most of the movie. You know, you warms up to Keanu Reeves and his family and like, he's knowledgeable about everything, and he's very charismatic. And then yeah, now that then you had the big finale. Where is that confrontation with Keanu Reeves. And he has some real memorable lines like that bed where he calls God an absentee landlord. Yeah, just he's got so many great zingers in this one.

James Jay Edwards: 37:24

He's not wrong. I mean, in a lot of ways, I mean, I get it. We'll talk about God in another episode.

Jacob Davidson: 37:35

Also, George Burns

Jonathan Correia: 37:36

our favorite representations of Gods is a is a different episodes. I'm going to the TV spectrum of Satans Twilight Zone. Now, you always knew you were getting an absolute brilliant episode of The Twilight Zone when Burgess Meredith came to play. The one I want to discuss which is Printer's Devil where he plays a character known as Mr. Scratch which I think is one of the coolest old timey names for Satans because that's just that's fucking awesome. I name everything Mr. Scratch because of it. Um, but Burgess. Meredith brings such a, you know, he's such a powerhouse performer. And his version of Satans is absolutely brilliant. There's no red, because it's in black and white. But he just wears like a like a nice shoe. But he has this zigzaggy cigar that he's always smoking from any lights it he lights his his matches off of everything. It's it's brilliant. But the whole premise of the story is that he gets this journalist the news before it happens, but the news gets increasingly worse. So you start to think, is the x is actually predicting the future? Or is this or is Mr. Scratch causing these things so that he can have these news bits? And oh, yeah, it's just such a great performance. And it's a reminder that you don't always need a big red horned Satan in your movie to portray that fire and brimstone evil. You can just have Burgess Meredith in a suit with a cigar and it works brilliantly.

James Jay Edwards: 39:05

There have been a few Twilight zones where they've had the devil in them because there's another one the howling man Yeah, that's a good one which is it's basically about a guy who comes to a monastery and and the monks are like totally cool to him, but they say you know, don't open that door and he hears a guy behind the door begging him to let him out. And it's turns out to be the devil in behind the door and and you know, they have the devil captured and you know, I don't want to spoil anything but yeah, it's told in flashbacks and there's a reason why the world sucks.

Jacob Davidson: 39:36

Yeah. Like I love that Rod Serling line, you can catch the devil but you can't keep them that pretty much sums up the episode. Yeah, and, and also in terms of big screen portrayals and going off of patina because I have to, I have to say one of my other favorite sayings is Robert De Niro as Louis Cipher from the Horror Neo noir Angel Heart,

James Jay Edwards: 40:03

cipher Lucifer.

Jacob Davidson: 40:05

They even acknowledged in the movie that it was kind of a lame alias to go by. But hey, you know, he's the devil. He doesn't care. Hey, I

Jonathan Correia: 40:12

named one of the stray cats that hangs out around my apartment. First Name Lucy last name Fur like FUR because she's Hey, Lucy.

James Jay Edwards: 40:22

Super

Jacob Davidson: 40:23

Yeah, but I really loved De Niro's Satan just because he is just so foreboding, you know, just like every scene he's in. It's just very vaguely menacing. Like, it doesn't really do anything for a lot of the movie. But every time he appears, he's just very creepy. And he's got this kind of weird getup where he's got like, this long hair, and he's got this silver cane, got these grossly long fingernails like Howard Hughes. And he, everybody talks very politely and he's very Matter of fact. So there's this scene where he's talking to Mickey Rourke, where they're having a meal and Louis Cipher is having an egg, just one hard boiled egg. And then he goes into this kind of spiel about how a lot of cultures consider the egg to be representative of the soul. And of course, he eats the egg in front of Mickey Rourke and yeah, so he was able to make eating an egg really creepy and horrifying. And, you know, not even going into the, you know, third act where shit gets really wild. But yeah, you know, just in terms of you know, aesthetic and characterization that particular Satan really sticks with you you know,

James Jay Edwards: 41:39

in terms of like the overblown you know, fire and brimstone Satan. My favorite is in the in Tenacious D and the pic of destiny Oh yes, the pic of destiny is it is a guitar pick that the guys who Tenacious D they they're after this guitar picks it was fashioned from a tooth of the devil and it'll give them the power to write all these great songs and to rock you know,

Jonathan Correia: 42:04

the demonic power of rock.

James Jay Edwards: 42:06

Yeah, cuz cuz at one point they discover you know, like Jack Black is saying, What do these guys have that we don't have? He's looking at pictures of Angus Young and Eddie Van Halen and, and Kyle gases. Well, they all use the same pic and it's the picture.

Jacob Davidson: 42:19

Yeah, but uh,

James Jay Edwards: 42:20

so anyway, at the end, the devil comes to get as his tooth back and he's played by Dave Grohl

Jacob Davidson: 42:26

all but before he transforms he's Paul F. Tompkins. Yes,

James Jay Edwards: 42:30

yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Davidson: 42:31

I love his whole speech how everybody's got got a little Satan inside of them. Yeah.

James Jay Edwards: 42:36

So when when he turns into the devil and he's Dave Grohl, and he's chanting, they challenge into a rock off and the devil is pissed. He's like, Oh, he's like looking at the bugs. OFAC fuck. I cannot decline a rock so as to rock out with him. And he does this song and of course it's Dave Grohl. So he can rock and he's playing like this 50 piece drum kit. He's on the devil. I love man. Oh, that it that he picks up a guitar y'all check this riff it's fucking tasty. was

Jacob Davidson: 43:10

also saying about how he was gonna fuck Kyle

James Jay Edwards: 43:13

on the deal. Yeah, and I do what I want.

Jonathan Correia: 43:16

Yeah, that was the terms their terms were you're gonna have to pay our rent. And yeah, guy was gonna be brought back to hell to be his love slave. I just also I always found it funny. Whenever I watched pick a destiny it was because it came out when I was a teen. It was one of those movies that like my parents would always walk in at the wrong moment. You know, like when you're watching Jerry Maguire, your parents are always going to come in there that sexy and they would always come in at that part. When the devil first comes in he's and they're going Fuck, he's like, Yes, you are. fuck shit out of luck

James Jay Edwards: 43:48

by mine and my copper will suck.

Jonathan Correia: 43:51

That's always when Joe and Joanne would walk in and it was always I remember I was watching my mom. She's like, What the fuck are you watching where the devil said you're gonna suck his cock and I'm like, oh mother. It's it's Why couldn't you have walked in during the Sasquatch scene? Like, come on.

James Jay Edwards: 44:04

Speaking of visual things. You guys could see the pic of destiny tattooed on my bicep.

Jonathan Correia: 44:11

Dad. Nice. Did it make you a better player?

James Jay Edwards: 44:16

No. But along those same lines as the as the Grohl devil. There was an SNL sketch with Garth Brooks. Do you guys remember this one where Oh

Jacob Davidson: 44:25

yeah, with Will Ferrell.

James Jay Edwards: 44:26

Yeah, yeah, Garth Brooks is trying to write a song. And his and his girlfriend's Are you a you get a real job? You ain't ever gonna be a musician. So he goes, he says something like, I'd sell my soul to write a good song and I and it's Will Ferrell as the devil and he goes, I give me your soul. I'll give you a hit and he goes okay, let's do it. So he starts playing these songs and they all suck every song that the devil is playing to him. So he's all that I that I'm not feeling that well What else you got? And at one point he he plays all star by Smash Mouth but with different there so No, that's just a Smash Mouth. And finally, we'll find out he's blaming on the guitars all these things out of tune. And Garth is like I don't think that's what it is.

Jacob Davidson: 45:08

And it's just really funny because he was all done up like he looked like a more typical devil with like horns and like the red skin and stuff.

Jonathan Correia: 45:16

I wonder if that's what if that's how we got Chris Gaines remember when Garth Brooks went by a different name and tried doing like a Goo Goo Dolls like emo band before emo.

James Jay Edwards: 45:27

But the way that the thing ends is the devil lets him out of the contract. He's okay. Yeah, you know, because because he actually says he's all Yeah, I think I want to back out of this deal because you're, you know, you're not gonna have anything I like and you're actually making me feel a lot better about myself. So the devil walks out and and Garth Brooks goes a devil care. I know love song. And he was and the light bulb pierced his head, he starts strumming chords. Well, the devil can't ride a love song. And you're and that says it. So I'm wondering if the devil inspired that? Does the devil still get his soul?

Jonathan Correia: 45:59

That's that's the moral of the story is that you don't need the devil. The power of Satan is inside all of us.

Jacob Davidson: 46:06

It's as Paul Tompkins said,

Jonathan Correia: 46:08

Now, we've gotten pretty far in this discussion and haven't brought up Tim Curry in Legend. Oh, yeah,

James Jay Edwards: 46:15

pound for pound Tim Curry.

Jonathan Correia: 46:17

Literally in that way.

James Jay Edwards: 46:18

No, but he got to play some of the great because there was Pennywise the clown Dr. Frank comforter and then I think it's billed as darkness but it's the Lord or Lord of darkness. Yeah, if you see it it's the devil.

Jacob Davidson: 46:29

Yeah, I mean they don't say it but it's his typical Big Red Satan as you can get you can see it Yeah.

Jonathan Correia: 46:36

And it's it's like the most typical like imagery of stuff Satan that could be but he brought but because it's Tim Curry he brings a performance that makes it utterly brilliant because it you know he's got giant horns and he's got the six pack of giant chest and arms and stuff and like it's a scary man like you would think like oh, typical look and say and what is not that scary but it's Tim fucking curry so of course he brings next level performance with it and I'm so excited for that arrow. blu ray artwork on it is just brilliant. Do you

James Jay Edwards: 47:11

guys remember this the devil that was in Passion of the Christ.

Jacob Davidson: 47:15

Yeah, like the little creepy like baby don't know that guy.

James Jay Edwards: 47:19

The baby the baby is what the devil is carrying. The devil is like it's this Android it was actually played by a woman but it's supposed to be androgynous you know, hairless thing that just kind of cruises around in the background of all of the scenes where where Jesus is being tormented and whipped and all

Jacob Davidson: 47:35

Yeah, never saw the movie but it didn't see that clip.

James Jay Edwards: 47:37

Yeah, it's it's a weird it's a really weird depiction of the devil because it's not typical. But you can tell there's something off about this and it's just hanging out in the background watching the quote hell that is being rained down on Jesus stirring you know this whole thing and then there's the the devil that was in the Last Temptation of Christ, which is a little girl

Jacob Davidson: 47:59

is about like the devil taking the form you least suspect Yes. Yeah. Which reminds me one of my favorite cartoon devils was that time there was devil Flanders and iHorror were over sold his soul for a donut. Flanders you're the devil. It's always the one you least suspect. And that whole episode is still one of my favorites. Just Just because like yeah, and then at the end Homer manages to get out of it so we're just like, okay, you get your soul back but let that it'll gun Don't be forever on your head and

James Jay Edwards: 48:36

he turns homers added to a doughnut and he keeps picking at it and marches all Homer don't eat your head and he's

Jacob Davidson: 48:43

tasty. Yeah, and off of that. I also am a big fan of the robot devil from Futurama.

Jonathan Correia: 48:53

Yes. Oh, absolutely. Just that whole episode when he's first introduced and he swaps hands with fry Well, that was a different

Jacob Davidson: 49:01

episode. But that was Episode Two.

Jonathan Correia: 49:03

Yeah, that I just loved that episode because like Fry's playing everything beautifully. And they was like okay, I do want my hands back these fleshy ones keep touching my crotch for some reason is

Jacob Davidson: 49:12

Yeah, they'll do that. Yeah, no, just the first episode alone because they have that big musical number about bender being damned to hell. And and as and they also do the devil went down to Georgia thing where it's like, if you win, you'll get your souls back. You'll get your friends soul back. If you lose. I don't know I'll kill fry or something. It's just very natural hot

Jonathan Correia: 49:42

just nonchalant with fries live because of course, he's a robot devil.

Jacob Davidson: 49:46

Yeah. And it's and it's and I also love it too, because like it's very much inspired by kind of the classic kind of flesher cartoon devils. Because they because they have like the number and he has kind of a stretch noodle arms. Which is another thing in terms of Cartoon devils like the devil seem to come up a lot back in the golden age of animation you know like right like Betty Boop went to hell that one time remember that?

Jonathan Correia: 50:08

Oh, of course.

James Jay Edwards: 50:09

Did you guys ever see Crossroads that the Ralph macho, not the Britney Spears?

Jonathan Correia: 50:13

I was just about to say that Britney Spears one yeah, Ralph macho.

James Jay Edwards: 50:17

It basically is Ralph moto makes friends with this old blues guitarist who sold his soul to the devil. So they are going on this journey to get his devil back or to get his soul back from the devil. So they meet the devil and the devil is another you know old blues man, but they put up they have a guitar contest Ralph macho against the devil's guitarist and the devil's guitarist is Steve fucking by so

Jonathan Correia: 50:41

I did not know this now I need to watch this.

James Jay Edwards: 50:43

And this is before Steve I was in like David Lee Ross band, you know, I mean, I think he might have been in like Alcatraz or Steeler. So he was still he played with Zappa. Zappa actually credited Steve Vai and his band as a stunt guitarist. That's the kind of guitar that Steve Vai place. But this is before he was in Whitesnake, and before he was with David Lee Roth, and he basically plays this like killer rock guitar, and then Ralph Montrose, just up there. He's, he plays like blues, and then but Ralph macho, his character is he's at a classical guitar school. So that's how he ends up being the devil's guitarist as he starts whipping his classical stuff out. And Steve, I tries to play it too. And Steve, I can play that stuff in his sleep. But so so it's kind of talent that he has to be able to fake messing it up. But yeah, it's, uh, you could probably find it's, it's like, this is like the last scene, so I just spoil the movie, but it's from like, 86. So it's like 30 years old. Um, you could probably find the last scene on YouTube if you just want to see the Steve ipart. gadget. And in terms of

Jacob Davidson: 51:48

creepier, devil portrayals that just kind of came back to me. There's this British movie called Blood on Satan's Claw. Have any of you guys seen that?

Jonathan Correia: 51:57

Of course, it's one of the greatest folk horrors of all time.

Jacob Davidson: 52:00

Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it's one of definitely one of the old timers of folklore. Just Yeah, the premises is that like the it's this old English village in the 17th century. And this farmhand accidentally digs up the literal claw of Satan. And it starts growing and, and kind of reforming. And it also has a corruptive influence on the populace like especially the youth like that, like the teenagers around town start like killing and like having orgies and just getting into some fucked up stuff. Dan Utes yeah the damn us. And eventually the Satan reforms that he's kind of like this hooded goat man figure, which you know, it's kind of a weird portrayal but at the same time, it's very eerie like you know, because he's just kind of standing in the background a lot and just kind of influencing his followers to commit sin and debauchery. And yet I feel like full core has some pretty good like in legit scary devils to be had like, is a Blood on Satan's Claw? I did. I didn't really expect it to be that heavy when I first got in, but, man, that one really stuck with me.

James Jay Edwards: 53:15

But I think that that's that that the passive devil i think is actually a good representation of like the one in Passion of Christ or Blood on Satan's Claws. Like I think the devils you know, they what is it Usual Suspects where he says the biggest trick the devil pulled was convincing us he didn't exist was a few

Jacob Davidson: 53:30

suspects. He says yeah, that was the Usual Suspects.

James Jay Edwards: 53:33

It's like, I think the devil convinces people to do their own to be their own undoing. You know? Yeah. And, and that's where you get portrayals like that where he just kind of sits back and watches

Jonathan Correia: 53:45

and I do think that and because you mentioned it at the beginning that most portrayals of on screen Satan where he's like a character and it is mostly coming out of comedies, because it's a bit comedic, you know, granted, he could always look cool like especially when they go full Balphabet with like, movies like hammer studios, the devil rides out has a very cool Balphabet inspired saying it with goat head and everything. And he works better as a passive like an influencer, kind of like Blood on the Satan's claws or The VVitch where you have Black Philip, which is another name for Satans Of course.

James Jay Edwards: 54:20

Do you think Black Philip was actually the devil?

Jonathan Correia: 54:23

Yeah, Black Philip is another name for your sake. Well,

James Jay Edwards: 54:25

no, I mean in The Witch.

Jonathan Correia: 54:26

Oh, uh, yeah. Okay, I

James Jay Edwards: 54:28

guess it does turn into a man at the end. I mean, spoiler alert for the which he does kind of turn into a man so you think that that's actually the devil and not just the the influence and everything with the live delicious?

Jonathan Correia: 54:39

Yeah, you know, and all that of course, and I always and there's always like the class and that's what's so great, like, pulling influence of sayings is the passive influence and then there's, like direct and messing with people's like, like in the Bedazzled movies, which I really enjoy both. I prefer the original more, you know, I mean because I mean I will of course you're gonna enjoy more because of Dudley Moore But Peter Cook is a great Satan's, but they call him George Spaghett in it hich is great because that's ike his he's like I just call e George spaghetti or omething. But there's like a reat like at the end when he's ike I got all the souls I got he number I beat you I beat od, why don't I feel good about his? I really screwed over that uy who was just like a decent uy. You know? There's really ood with that. And then of ourse, Elizabeth Hurley

James Jay Edwards: 55:31

probably the hottest devil we've seen. She's definitely

Jonathan Correia: 55:34

the one that would have the easiest influence and they purposely like just put her in like different outfits for each scene just to like showcase would

James Jay Edwards: 55:44

join sheep and says about that show. How about this, you know, like she's tempting the dude. Yeah. Because it does this do it for you. Yeah.

Jonathan Correia: 55:52

And in the early 2000s, Brendan Frasier you know just add his like comedic tops, you know, and he did Looney Tunes Back in Action right after fantastic. And but yeah, so what So what do you guys think is your favorite like types of Satans? Is it the kind of passive Is it the influencer? Or is it the or is it more like the devil went down to Georgia or Meets Daniel Webster type say and with the competition?

Jacob Davidson: 56:19

I'd say it depends on context. Like, if you want a really scary Satan, you know, I think the kind of subtle corruptive Satan is a lot more terrifying than you know, just be you know, a big red devil. But on the comedic side of things, or, you know, kind of more forward type of stories I do. I do appreciate, you know, kind of the hammy devil who's very bombastic, like, you know, again, Al Pacino,

James Jay Edwards: 56:45

if I want to be scared, I want the subtle devil just cruise around in the background with a creepy baby. If I want to have fun, give me Dave Grohl behind a drum kit.

Jonathan Correia: 56:57

Dave Grover, Harvey Keitel in Little Nicky, oh, yeah,

Jacob Davidson: 57:01

that was a good one. And Rodney Dangerfield as his dad

Jonathan Correia: 57:08

even in hell I get no respect.

James Jay Edwards: 57:10

All right, we are running out of time here. But we've only scratched the surface as you can tell we could keep going for

Jacob Davidson: 57:17

Yeah, probably a lot of Devils to choose from

James Jay Edwards: 57:20

Mata devils. And we we didn't even get into horror I don't think

Jacob Davidson: 57:24

No, I mean, we did talk some horror.

Jonathan Correia: 57:26

Yeah, we touched upon Horror but we didn't there's a lot of Satan's we missed our Yeah, that we didn't mentioned South Park's say. You know, I mean with his musical number up there, which is beautifully written song but it's so funny. Yeah.

James Jay Edwards: 57:42

See that? That's where the SNL Satan falls apart when you get like the Tenacious D Satan and the South park Satan who are great musicians you like that guy was a fraud. Yeah, if we missed your favorite Satan, let us know. You can find us on Facebook at the Eye On Horror Facebook page, the iHorror Facebook page, our Eye On Horror twitter Eye On Horror, Instagram. You can find us anywhere. Yeah, our theme song is by Restless Spirits. I almost call them restless Satan's Satan on the brain. Our theme song is Restless Spirits a gig. Go give them a shout. Our artwork is by Chris Fisher. So go get him a shout. And yeah, so paint that pentagram on the floor and summon your favorite Satan. Until next time. We will talk to you in a couple of weeks. So for me, I'm James Jay Edwards. I'm Jacob Davison and I'm Jonathan Correia. Keep your Eye On Horror.