This episode, the guys review The Batman, The Burning Sea, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre 22', pitch a Jean Claude Van Damme Vs. Candyman crossover, then get into a discussion about the Requel boom of the last few years. Is this trend here to stay? Are requels needed? Find out on the latest episode of EYE ON HORROR!!
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This episode, the guys review The Batman, The Burning Sea, and Texas Chainsaw Massacre 22', pitch a Jean Claude Van Damme Vs. Candyman crossover, then get into a discussion about the Requel boom of the last few years. Is this trend here to stay? Are requels needed? Find out on the latest episode of EYE ON HORROR!!
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Welcome to Eye On Horror the official podcast of iHorror.com This is episode 82 Otherwise known as season five episode four. I'm your host James Jay Edwards and with me as always is your host Jacob Davison How you doing Jacob?
Jacob Davidson:Doing fun not too much to update on just I happen to be as old as
James Jay Edwards:we're doing this on a Monday morning which is weird but that's my fault because I had 2 15 hour days where I couldn't record I'm also with us yet again is your other other host Jon Correia How you doing Correia
Jonathan Correia:finally kind of starting to feel like a human again. The the other reason why we couldn't record this weekend was because I was sleeping the whole weekend. We my my production company recorded its first pilot. Last week we shot two episodes in one day. And boy howdy was it hectic? I think I slept all day Friday like we prepped Wednesday shot both on Thursday and then I did returns all Friday morning and then was out cold for most of the day. So yeah, most of the weekend was spent catching back up on sleeps
James Jay Edwards:but yeah, but you you would have woken up to record if I could have done it so it's all pretty much my fault.
Jonathan Correia:Oh yeah,
James Jay Edwards:I had to work from 6am to 11pm both days so Oh, yeah. Riddick,
Jonathan Correia:I've basically been fueled by by bang energy drink. I get like a case, you know, set by Amazon now once a month and like it usually lasts me like two weeks. This lasted me a week.
James Jay Edwards:You know, I tried bang as a substitute for Monster when it was on sale at Costco. It's gross. Dude. Monsters much better.
Jonathan Correia:Oh, it's all gross. It's all disgusting. I hate everything. Like, I hate the way drinks but I hate coffee, the taste of coffee more. I just I just need the caffeine. It gives me a lot.
James Jay Edwards:I can't even stand the smell of coffee. So yeah, energy drinks are way better. Before we hop into things, we have some exciting news. Oh, we might need your help. Nominated for a Rando? Yeah, granted, the list of nominees literally looks like a just a list of horror podcasts. So it's kind of funny to say we're nominate because there's like 30 nominees. But the cool thing is, they thought of us. That's my big thing. Because there are a lot of other podcasts where you know, cuz you can write in, if it's not on the list, it's basically you can vote for whoever you want. But we're one of the actual suggestions, which is really cool. So yeah, vote for us. You know, this is we're going to show for this because we're up against some heavy weights. And I really don't want to be embarrassed. I would like to, I would like to have a pretty decent showing since we are one of the choices. It's a little clunky, the way you vote, you have to copy the ballot, and then paste it in an email and send it to the guy who has an AOL email address. I think he's been doing it this way for years. And it works for him. So as as you listen, yeah, yeah. But um, best podcast is category 19. So you don't have to vote for every category. If you just want to vote for us. Just copy that part in and send it off to him. We'll link to the website. But yeah, give us a Rando award. So we don't know. We're not going to win. Well, hey, Stranger
Jacob Davidson:things have happened.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, we are very excited, though, to even just be listed with there's some amazing podcasts on this list. Yeah.
James Jay Edwards:Faculty of horror movie crypt. I mean, yeah, there are some heavy hitters, and we're like, we're amongst them. So that's pretty awesome. And we do have, we do have Jacob on the team who never loses.
Jacob Davidson:It's my gift. My curse. It isn't
Jonathan Correia:honored. If you don't know about the RONDO Ha, and classic horror awards. They honor the best thing, classic core research, creativity and film preservation. This is the 20th year of it. And so we're very excited to be nominated and couldn't be more grateful. So because now we're an award nominated podcasts
James Jay Edwards:anyway, so we got out of the way, you only are allowed to vote once. So like I said, it's a clunky process, but you only have to do it once. So throw your buddies in at Eye On Horror bone and vote for us. So we don't get embarrassed. And maybe we'll be nominated an extra two I don't know how they do the nominations. It might just be whatever the guy who runs it can think of to nominate because it really are there are a lot of nominations in every category. It's not just like five things I can do like a regular award, you know, like the Oscars or something. So could I just compare the rondos to the Oscars? Yes, they did. They are important to us.
Jonathan Correia:What number said
James Jay Edwards:Mm hmm, what uh, what do you guys been doing lately? I mean, have you You guys been? I know that the big thing that we've all watched we have to save because it's going to segue into our topic. So what else you guys been seeing?
Jacob Davidson:Oh, I saw Studio 666
James Jay Edwards:I was that Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:I thought it was a lot of fun. It's basically the Foo Fighters as the Scooby Doo gang. But in the Evil Dead, the Foo Fighters.
James Jay Edwards:I know that Grohl and Taylor are just super charismatic. So I imagine that that's just a lot of fun. Hopefully the other guy are there four other guys in that band. Now there's a ton of guys before they get bigger.
Jacob Davidson:Let's see it was a six, six people.
James Jay Edwards:Six guys in the band. Yeah, that band gets bigger every time you see it. It started out with just grow on all instruments. And now there's six guys.
Jacob Davidson:Well, you know, it's a bit it's been a band for like 20 years. But it is also kind of funny because it is self referential about the band being old because it's about the Foo Fighters needing to come up with a new album so they decided to rent out this old like recording studio in Hollywood, but it's got an evil past and there's been murders there and like another band was killed there. And Dave Grohl slowly starts to go Jack Torrance obsessed over trying to come up with a new song. And there's a an amazing and surprising amount of cameos like this isn't much of a spoiler because he's in the credits but Will Forte's in it. And, and he's just great because he's like this delivery guy with this, like indie band that keeps on trying to give his demo to Dave Grohl while trying to deliver in Buffalo wings. And there's and there's some pretty great creatures as well. Yeah, creature and blood effects. It was directed by BJ McDonald, who did Hatchet 3 so you have a Gore is really over the top and wild. There's a scene involving Dave Grohl a chainsaw and some other people in bed. That was really a lot of fun. And, you know, I'm just always a fan of metta comedies where like, I don't know actors or musicians or whatever play kind of exaggerated versions of themselves. Oh, yeah. Like this. Is this the end? Yeah, I was just thinking this would make a great double feature with this the end. The thing
James Jay Edwards:with girl girl has a lot of friends. I think I think he's really popular and affable guy. So it doesn't surprise me. There's a ton of cameos just without spoiling anything, just a yes or no. Is the D in it. Tenacious? D
Jacob Davidson:Sadly, no. No. All right. But John Carpenter and Cody carpenter are in it. Oh, fantastic. Yes. Yeah. Cuz they they help compose the theme song with the Foo Fighters. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. But yeah, no, I thought it was a very fun movie. And, you know, it didn't do so hot at the box office, unfortunately. So I'm really hoping it rebounds on like digital and video.
James Jay Edwards:They were going completely on word of mouth. I mean, I don't know a single press person who got an invite to a screening or a link or anything. It didn't have a huge it was all basically just the Foo Fighters promoting it. They I think they dropped the ball with promoting it.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I mean, I saw the trailers commercials, but yeah, there wasn't a lot of buzz about it. I don't really get what happened, but I guess it's just kind of the way it went. Yeah.
James Jay Edwards:Another thing I saw this week besides our topic movie, and I'm hoping that you guys have seen it too. It's kind of horror, you know, fringe or the Batman. Did you see that? Yes, the Batman. We don't want to spoil too much Korea's shaking his head. We don't wanna spoil too much but let's just say people have been comparing it to seven David Fincher Se7en and it's completely apt because this the Batman brings back the Batman detective Batman has always been a detective more than a crime fighter in the earliest detective it was his manager. Yeah, so um, this one has him you know, basically, you know, solving crimes and cracking codes and you know, and Paul Dano's Riddler it I mean, we've we've made my man crush on pal Paul Dano. You know, obvious on this you know, he I still think he was robbed for not getting an Oscar nom for Love and Mercy. But anyway, his Riddler is horrifying. It's, it's almost like it's like a cross between the Zodiac Killer and Patrick Bateman. He's just this cycled and the thing is, he's right. And just like I say Bane was right and I say fanous was right. The Riddler is frickin right. And what he does is he's basically a serial killer. And he's exposing corruption in Gotham City's political and government system. Granted he's doing it by killing people. So that's not so right. But his heart is in the right place. And of course Batman is on the side of the right although it's kind of interesting though, that Riddler consider himself a vigilante just like Batman. So it's like two sides of a coin. It's it's a it's a head scratcher it the two things people are up in arms about first of all, Robert Pattinson the motherfucker can act he is great in it. And the other thing is the three are running time, which, you know, I do think it's a little padded but they were going for epic scale and it was never boring to me it didn't feel like a three hour movie. So I was kind of cool with that, too. So, you know, the Batman see, it's it's gonna be as much fun for a horror fan as a movie can be as a superhero movie could be a guest. What do you think, Jacob, what do you think?
Jacob Davidson:I loved it. I thought it was great. And I did and I agree that it was cool that it focused more on the psychological and mystery elements rather than action because we've had plenty of Batman action movies, but this is the first one that went very cerebral with it. And also I I thought, John tuturro was really great and it plays to crime boss, Carmine Falcone and he you know, it's more so performance, but he's he's just as scary as some of the other villains in the movie. Like he has some pretty standout scenes. But also, conversely, Zoe Kravitz is Catwoman was really great too, especially because, you know, like, between Riddler and her it's like a comparison of like, vigilantism. And like, who is fighting and how
James Jay Edwards:it's a very sensitive, sympathetic portrayal of a woman because she's not seen as a super villain. She's an ally of Batman's, and, um, she kind of plays second fiddle for a lot of the movie. I mean, it doesn't take away from Zoe Kravitz his performance but you know, I didn't think that they used Catwoman as much as they could have he was kind of she was just as a tool for Batman to solve his crime I thought and she had her own motives
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, I was gonna say like I felt like she had her own arc so I don't quite agree with that. But yeah, and also just in terms of the movie The aesthetic and just kind of the production design on Gotham City was incredibly well done. Do you know it was kind of feeling like it was right out of the comics and just the the set pieces were you know, between, you know, like the built in the buildings, everything just amazing. Yeah, no, I just figured it was a really interesting take on on Batman overall, that one that hasn't really been done cinematically before, and I actually want to see it again, like an IMAX.
James Jay Edwards:It's weird because I think it's my second favorite Batman movie behind the Dark Knight. And the only reason I put the Dark Knight higher is because I think Heath Ledger is a little bit better of a joker than Paul Daniel is of a Riddler. And I love Paul Danna is a Riddler but Heath Ledger is an amazing Joker. I do want to see Robert Pattinson Batman fight Joaquin Phoenix Joker, although I don't want to spoil anything, but that's not going to happen because if they're setting this up to be a series Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:no, I like what the what DC is doing now where they're just kind of doing these kind of standalone ish movies and they're not doing like a shared continuity thing.
James Jay Edwards:This won't be staring at you. I mean, well, I
Jacob Davidson:mean, I don't mean standalone as in you know, like it's just one it's just mean that it's not going to connect to that other to that other movie.
James Jay Edwards:Okay, yeah. And it's not going to connect it to Zack Snyder's Yeah. Spider verse. Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:be that's, that's done.
James Jay Edwards:This is the Matt Reeves verse. Yep,
Jonathan Correia:I've been saying it for years that DC already had the perfect model on how to do like their stories and that's their animated universe because they did do a connected like Justice League story for like 20 or so animated films, while at the same time still adapting and having original stories, but also adapting like specific graphic novels and stuff and it's like, dude, if you do that, you could technically have three Batman movies come out a year, and they'd be totally different movies you know, like, and I want as excited as I am for the Batman.
Jacob Davidson:I want goofy Batman back like we Adam West Batman.
Jonathan Correia:We haven't had a like, like a fun goofy Batman movie since LEGO Batman Movie and that was an amazing Batman Joker relationship portrayed in that one.
James Jay Edwards:There's nothing goofy about this Batman about the Batman and it's weird because the thing is one of the first needle drop in the movie is nirvana is something in the way and that sets the tone for the whole you know, you know, you can almost hear the rain coming it's not not quite like the crow. But that's the kind of tone of it it's like, you know, it's just real dark and dreary and come with eye shadow. Yeah, yeah. Well I think all Batman have have the eye shadow to keep
Jacob Davidson:this apparently this is the first time we've seen a Bruce Wayne with the eye shadow before putting on the mask if we're
Jonathan Correia:putting Okay, yeah, we always see it post mask never pre mask. So I didn't watch the Batman, but I did finally correct a wrong that happened to me this year. Watch a really great disaster movie, which as we all know, I did not like Moon fall. But I absolutely loved the burning See, which is the new movie from the producers of The Wave and The Quake. It's a Norwegian disaster film all about, like, takes place in the Norwegian Sea in the North Sea and these kinds of titles plates shift, which is causing like oil rigs to go down. They make reference to Deepwater Horizon. But it was just basically they were like, oh, yeah, you know, how bad is it? They're like, Oh, you know, Deepwater Horizon. That was just one thing. We have 135 in this sea. And it's like, Oh, snap. And it's fantastic. They do a great job with the tension. All the, you know, there's not as great of character development as the previous two films, they have a whole new cast and people because the first two films kind of follow this one guy in his family, which after two natural disasters of this one guy being involved with you're kind of like, alright, he doesn't it, you're stretching it a little
James Jay Edwards:thin. But it's the same guy in the wave and the quake? No, no,
Jonathan Correia:it's it's a it's a new set of characters. But, but their roles make sense. Like, why they're there. So like, the main character, she's robotics person, engineer, and she, her and her partner, her and her co worker, they work on these kind of like snake robots that are aquatic. And they're used to like, retrieve stuff from deep underwater. And so they get brought in by the oil company to see if there's any survivors because a platform fell off. And from there, they start to realize, oh, wow, this is much bigger than what it is. And her boyfriend is an oil rig worker. And they really do a good job of going into how important like the oil rigging is to the economy of that area, like the dynamics of it. And it's really interesting, like the points that they go, like, Oh, what if we, you know, the moment you meet the Oil Corporation, they go, you have to sign this NDA. And it's like, Oh, are we gonna get Evil Corp thing? But they don't get cartoony with it? Because sometimes, you know, with that, it's like, we have to keep production going no matter what with this. They're like, No, we have to excavate people. Now. There's like one person who's at one point just goes, so what happens if we, if we, if we keep working until it happens? They're like, Oh, and they demonstrate it using a pen. Like, if we don't pull this thing out, it will dump all this oil out into the thing, and it will cause catastrophic like this to not only the environment, but to the economy of like every country touching this see, which is most of Europe. But it's really fantastic. The tension is there. There's no real like, Oh, that was a dumb move. You did a dumb thing, just to create tension, like everything happens for a reason. Again, this this series of films, they they follow every plot point, every trope of like a Hollywood disaster film, but they just use it as like a blueprint to actually do some really good stuff. There's no like, you'll see like, especially in moon fall, you get like the cowboy that comes in, it's like you're the only one that can save us, Max, strong man. There's no character like that. Everyone's just like a person who just happens to know things because of their job and their kindness.
James Jay Edwards:There's no Ron Perlman in don't look up. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Jonathan Correia:There's no There's no space cowboy coming in to save the day. The effects are really great. There's this very harrowing moment where like, shit goes absolutely wrong. So oil is just pouring out and they go, what happens if this happens? Well, it's going to basically destroy the entire economy of Norway. And everyone's devastated. They're like, Oh, my God, and then they go, and then it's gonna go to every other country, it's gonna go to England, it's gonna hit this it's gonna hit this and it's gonna take over a century to clean up and they're like, Well, what do we do? And they're like, we have to set the sea on fire and you're like, What? Are they gonna set the sea on fire? So
James Jay Edwards:it's not just a clever name? No, no, they
Jonathan Correia:they legitimately fire missiles at the sea, which sounds ridiculous but it makes sense like it's not it's it's not Moon fall where the moon's falling into the you know what I mean? And then there was really
James Jay Edwards:sounds like an asylum flick. No,
Jonathan Correia:it's the exact opposite dude like these these this series of films. I can't rave about the wave the quake and now the burning see enough. These films are entertaining. They're well made.
James Jay Edwards:I think I've only seen the wave. Yeah, of the three. But I loved it. I thought it was terrific. It's like you said it's just nonstop tension.
Jonathan Correia:Do that highway scene in the wave when they're trying to like go up the zigzag highway while the wave is coming is so harrowing. And it was it's just so interesting, like, because we love disaster movies in my house. So we're like, as soon as we finish it, we're like, fuck do we go back and watch the wave? And I was like, no, no, no, I have this Korean tsunami movie called Tidal Wave. Let's watch that. And it's almost a comedy like that. Like it's like an hour and 20 minutes before you actually get to any tidal wave stuff. And there's just like a lot of goofy stuff happening with the characters. I'm like, this is not the disaster movie I need right now. I need emotional stakes. I need high tension. I don't why is that movie was so weird. Like I couldn't finish it but Yeah, burning see the wave in the quake. I can't recommend those movies enough. Go Go watch them. There's there's so much fun.
James Jay Edwards:I saw another thing that is kind of just tangentially horror. It's actually not horror at all, but it does have a monster that new movie turning red. Oh yeah. The animated Yeah, the Pixar movie. It's a Pixar movie that's yeah, it is you know what the thing is ranch got it again. I know. Well here's it, it connects trust. Okay At first I thought that it was going to be because basically it's about this little girl who she just randomly starts turning into a big red panda, big red panda monster. And at first I thought it was going to be just like a thinly veiled metaphor for puberty and you know, turning red, you know, you know menstruation kind of thing. But it turns out, it's kind of more it without giving too much away. It's kind of more on the Teen Wolf side of things where like, you know, she turns into this big panda and she figures out what makes her turn into this panda. So she's it gets to a point where she can kind of do it on will. And of course she uses it not to join the basketball team exactly like a Teen Wolf, but she uses it for gain at school and stuff
Jonathan Correia:as she joined the wrestling team like Teen Wolf Too the superior film!
James Jay Edwards:nothing like that. But her. It's her and her friends want to go see this boy band called I think they're called for town. And but they need they need I think it's 200 bucks a ticket or something like that. So they find a way to make money put it that way, using using the red panda. Anyway, it's cute. It's um, by the time this posts it will already be on I think Disney plus is where it's going to be. So you'll be able to, by the time this posts if you care about it, you probably already seen it. But it's fun, you know, and it does have a monster so I'm talking about an Eye On Horror.
Jacob Davidson:On my end, I just got the new 4k release of John Woos Hard Target away. I don't think I've ever seen the whole thing but yeah, it was produced and also I didn't even realize it was produced by Sam Raimi. So and it kind of has very, it just kind of feels like it's in style with him. Because it is one of the most over the top 90s action movies I think I've ever seen. Yeah, so it's basically like Lance Henriksen and it was a triple of his name Arnold Vosloo, our bad guy mercenaries who run a most dangerous game thing in New Orleans where rich people can hunt homeless veterans. And they have the wrong veteran killed who had family and then she's looking for her father and then Jean Claude Van Damme. Is this veteran name? Chance Bourdieu who very New Orleans. Oh, yeah. Who hook who hooks up with her and tries to help her find her father and like expose and stop the human hunting ring. And oh my god, this movie is so over the top. I love that. You know, there's a I mean, of course, there's the classic stuff of like, Jean Claude Van Damme beating up a snake he's like, punches a rattlesnake and then uses it as a trap. And one of the things I love that my roommate point out what we're watching is that he repeatedly shoots people and then roundhouse kicks them to make sure they're extra dead.
James Jay Edwards:Are they still standing up? He shoots him
Jacob Davidson:no he shoots I mean yeah, there's still standing and then he just like roundhouse kicks in and then they're dead. And Lance Henriksen is really good at it as the as the bad guy role because like he's this experience Hunter and he's got this special custom gun that's just like, like this pistol rifle with like, one giant bullet that he uses just like blow shit up. And yes, on of course Wilford Brimley plays a Cajun Moon shiner and best friend of Jean Claude Van Damme who helps them out and like lay traps and stuff in the swamps.
James Jay Edwards:What's his name?
Jacob Davidson:Uncle dove.
James Jay Edwards:Okay, though not quite as good as chance Bordeaux.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, no, they do speak French repeatedly for the movie. And it is just kind of funny to see. Wilford Brimley do go as Cajun as as humanly possible, and also drink pure moonshine.
Jonathan Correia:Which of that makes sense because like John Claude Van Damme has a very thick French accent. And I always really appreciate in 90s action films with John Claude Van Damme where they try to explain his accent. And so like, it just makes sense. Oh, yeah, he's from New Orleans. It's like,
Jacob Davidson:oh, okay, that works or like the muscles from Brussels.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, he's the muscles from Brussels. But then there's also like, Sudden Death where it's like, why are you here? thickly French man? And they're like, oh, yeah, he was French Special Forces. He's Darrin McCord. And, but now he's in Chicago. I think it's Chicago. What a fun Die Hard rip off that sudden death was
Jacob Davidson:I gotta I gotta see that one. But yeah, hard targets a lot of fun and there's is a particularly amazing set piece where they use an actual Mardi Gras parade warehouse of all these crazy as Mardi Gras floats and puppets and stuff, and just have a shoot on there. And when they shoot stuff like confetti, and beads explode everywhere. It's like as new as New Orleans aid action movie can get. And yeah, this was put out by Kino Lorber. And it's an amazing transfer to like one of the best four K's I've seen. And, ya know, just it holds up especially well, like I get watched it like a dozen more times.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, it makes for great Mardi Gras double
feature with Bad Lieutenant:Port of Call New Orleans.
Jacob Davidson:Oh, yeah, that that would be a great double feature.
Jonathan Correia:Fantastic.
James Jay Edwards:Let's move on. We've been saving something else that we all saw for now because we're going to lead into our topic. Um, let's talk Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 2022. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:let's do all watched
James Jay Edwards:it. What do you guys think?
Jonathan Correia:I had a realization right before watching it.
James Jay Edwards:I'm so glad you started talking first. Yeah, it's like really, what a year this
Jonathan Correia:I had a realization. What right before I hit play, that I since I've been watching movies, you know, cognitive enough to watch us like 10 or 12. Basically, since the first remake of Texas Chainsaw came out, I have never been excited for Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie coming out. So my expectations were pretty low for this. And you know what it was? It was fine. There was a few segments involving modern technology that I really, really irritated me. But you know what? They're like, yeah, the character development wasn't too great. With a lot of it. There was some stuff that I really liked what they did with some of the characters, there's a lot of stuff about gentrification, you know, because it's all about this group of millennials coming in to revitalize Harlow, Texas. And, you know, that's where Leatherface has been kind of not in hiding, but it has just been like kind of swordsman living, it's where he's been living laying low, you know, he's been taken care of there. And through a series of unfortunate events, you know, leather face gets unleashed again. And you know, the the cinematography in it is very phenomenal. There's a lot of soft shots in it, where I was like, Man, that is beautiful. And the kills are great. There's some really fantastic kills in there. There's a scene where Leatherface just goes on to a bus full of people
James Jay Edwards:to say this is this is our first Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie where there's actually a Chainsaw Massacre goes onto a full bus. And you know, this isn't really spoiling anything because you know what's gonna happen as soon as you see it starting Yeah, but yeah, he massacres an entire bus full of people. It's beautiful.
Jonathan Correia:I was as it was happening because you see the bus you see as soon as they go everyone in the bus you're like, Oh, this is gonna happen. Next act next act is gonna happen. And then you see him enter the bus and I was sitting there I was all giddy and then they had everyone whip out their phone stuff fucking Facebook live it and that's when I went fuck you movie.
James Jay Edwards:And doesn't one of them say something like you're about to be canceled or something?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, that was very cringe
Jonathan Correia:horror, horror filmmakers, please You do not need to insert there's another modern technology thing at the end that I will not spoil. But that's when i is super wet. I'm glad this movie is over because that bit you don't need to insert modern technology stuff all the time into things that totally killed the momentum of the scene like once like, you know, he started Matt the massacre a was dropped and no one was on their phones anymore. Because yeah, I understand what you're going to be on your phone during that. And it was harrowing. It was it was traumatizing. The comparisons that they did too. Because one of the characters who's played by the actress from Eighth Grade she
James Jay Edwards:Elsie Fisher,
Jonathan Correia:there we go. Elsie Fisher, her character survived a school shooting. So there's a lot of talk and stuff in that. And during the bus massacre scene, they make those comparison flashback shots with it, which makes it even which gives like a bigger impact to like the trauma that's happening to anyone who may survive that. And it's just undercut with the fucking Facebook Live thing and like, I, I love so much of what was happening with that scene. There's just that one little like bit in the beginning of it that just like took me out of it hard. But yeah, I thought it was really great. They brought back Marilyn, the character at least.
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, they couldn't. They couldn't bring back Marilyn burns.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. And you know it, I was kind of excited to see how they were gonna not do the potential of them not doing like what they did with Laurie strobes and Halloween and, you know, I kind of like the idea of her kind of being like, possibly as bad as Leatherface you know, because it looked like she was gonna use like some of the survivors as bait for him, but they really didn't do much with her. You could have almost just dropped her dropped her whole thing and it wouldn't have changed much. Yeah. And
Jacob Davidson:also like she's got a backstory now where she was a Texas Ranger, which was
Jonathan Correia:awesome and made total sense. Like I dug that but like they didn't
James Jay Edwards:really add, Jake. They tried to Ripley, her, you know, they tried to turn her in. Yeah, they tried. Yeah, they tried to turn her into like, like a Sarah Connors kind of a thing, you know? Yeah. But yeah, I didn't think that really work. Like you Correia. My bar was set so low on this because I'm like, Are you kidding me? You know, the I mean, I love the 2003 Texas Chainsaw, but the the other ones, you know, 3d and that last Leatherface? One they're beginning. Yeah, newbie. Yeah, those, those have just not done it for me. So my bar was set pretty low. And for what it is, I really, really enjoyed it. It's not going to make my top 10 list. But it's it first of all, it's the perfect length. It's like 84 minutes, 85 minutes. It's like it gets in gets bloody gets out. And you know, there you are. I was irritated by some of the same things as you, you know, like, like Jacob said that, that cancel line is just cringe. You're like, Oh, really? Who wrote this? And how did it end up in the finished movie, but just for what it is, which is a movie about a guy carving people up with a chainsaw? I I was fine with it.
Jonathan Correia:I really don't understand the extreme reactions people are having to this movie. There are people that absolutely loathe this movie. And there are people that absolutely are head over heels over it. And I I thought it was fine. I thought it was fine. You know, like, I had fun. I you know, a I walked away, it didn't commit the mortal sin of being boring. You know, I am able to recall a lot of the movie after and you know, that speaks volumes to me. But people are getting very toxic online over this one and it just doesn't feel worth it.
James Jay Edwards:And they're getting defensive. Like if you don't like it and and someone who does it. They want to fight you. Yeah, like Dude, relax. It's a movie. How boring would the world be if we all have the same opinions?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of on the same consensus that I just Yeah, I thought it was an okay, moving. You know, expectations were low, of course. But, ya know, like Jonathan said, it wasn't boring. So that's always a plus. I think its biggest problem, actually, was that it was a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie. Because I really feel like if it was just its own thing, if it was his own thing, it probably would have gotten higher regard. Because to me, it's just, you know, basically, straight up old school, rough and tumble slasher. It's just if it didn't have the Texas Chainsaw Massacre trappings then it would probably would have had a lot more leg to stand on. Because the other thing is is like you got leather face. But where are the other soldiers? Yeah, it's, you know, because a big thing of what the more recent Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies miss about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, is that it wasn't as Leatherface it was his family. Like he wasn't even like the main bad guy in the first few Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies. He's like an instrument of the Sawyer family. So it's it so you know, it's just he was more iconic. So it just kind of turned to like Jason or Freddy thing where Leatherface became the face of the franchise and you know, they kept on using them, even if the context was not exactly befitting.
Jonathan Correia:Well, I mean, that's definitely relevant in Texas Chainsaw Massacre three because that's when new line took over the series. Oh, yeah. They wanted their next Friday. They wanted their next Jason fighter. You know what I mean?
James Jay Edwards:You mean Texas Chainsaw? Leatherface Texas Chainsaw three.
Jonathan Correia:Yes, sorry. Leatherface The Texas Chainsaw Massacre that
James Jay Edwards:one still had the family though like hardcore had
Jacob Davidson:the dad had. What's his name from Lord of the Rings?
James Jay Edwards:Viggo Mortensen? Your mornings? Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:but the focus still, when you look at Texas Chainsaw Massacre one and two when Toby Hooper was in charge, the focus was hardcore more on this soilers And like leather faces Texas Chainsaw Massacre three the title I ride right which I still to this day say the best part of that movie is that teaser the Excalibur s chain company out of the water. Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:man If only we had gotten that movie. Although I do although I do like Leatherface, Texas here the massacre three. And again, it does actually have his family and at least
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, so let's let's steer this towards what our topic is which it's going to be what? What's this the new screen movie? lovingly calls requels? I don't know if I've ever heard that term. Before that. Was that a thing? Requel before I'd
Jacob Davidson:heard I'd heard the term used before in regards to kind of recent trends in cinema franchises,
James Jay Edwards:but it's it mainly what it is, is it's sort of like their movies that that kind of take the ball and run with it from something like I don't want to call them remakes. I don't want to call them see equals So recalls is kind of weird but like, like Halloween that 2018 Halloween, it basically ignores everything that happened from the second sequel on and, you know, just started again. So it's it's a recall and that's kind of what we're doing here with Texas Chainsaw it kind of you know ignores everything that happened except for the first one scream didn't do that but that's because scream is so damn meta they're not gonna ignore. They need that mythology,
Jonathan Correia:but they make fun of it. I mean even calling the scream five scream is kind of poking fun at Texas Chainsaw tech pocophone at Halloween,
James Jay Edwards:poking fun of Halloween is what I think mostly Yeah.
Jonathan Correia:But I mean, the idea of reqeuls isn't new. I mean, h2o did it where it erased everything from three on up until then. And then Texas Chainsaw Jesus that series has been recalled how many every single Texas Chainsaw Massacre maybe has been after three or four maybe has basically gone back and been like, Alright, we're going back to the 70s We're erasing everything from there.
James Jay Edwards:They've tried to restart it forgetting all the sequels. Is this the third time they've tried it? Or the fourth fourth? Maybe? Yeah, they they just Yeah, they just keep trying. The thing is what it all the Texas Chainsaw movies to me kind of have to be treated as individual movies about the same, the same family, the Sawyer family, you know, and so it's when, like, what was the one that came right after the 2003? Was that The Beginning?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah. Yeah, the it was the beginning. Yeah, that one.
James Jay Edwards:That one was dull to me, but I love the 2003 one, which was a straight remake of the original. Pretty much and I still got to see those. You haven't seen that? 2003 one with?
Jacob Davidson:No. Yeah, I haven't seen the platinum dunes, Texas.
James Jay Edwards:You need to see that one. That one's amazing. The other ones you could probably the beginning you could probably skip
Jonathan Correia:Jay and I are on very opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to the 2003 Texas Chainsaw.
James Jay Edwards:But 2003 one I thought was the thing is, I no one was more skeptical than me when that was announced. I'm like, Are you kidding me? Come on. You can't remake something. But but it it got me It scared the shit out of me. And I thought it was a credible I can't believe you don't like it.
Jonathan Correia:But uh, back to requels and not just remakes. But But I mean, yeah, you had Texas Chainsaw 3d. You had one there was a there was another one in there. I lose. I'm not as big of a fan of this Texas Chainsaw Series. Two is still my favorite just because of how bonkers it is. There's no better needle drop than going going goes No one lives forever, while yuppies are getting cut up. But um, you know, recalls that I know. It's a lot. It's very popular now, especially since 2018. Halloween, but it had we it has been going on for a very long time. You know, again, H2o and all that. And now David Gordon Green is doing it with the exorcist series. They're supposed to be recording that, but they already did it. And they did it fantastically with the exorcist TV series that was on Fox for two seasons. That one they brought up, they basically ignored all the sequels and created this great story that harkens back to the original possession with Reagan and infused it with like this big conspiracy within the church. There's like literally a point where Priest go is talking to a cardinal and it goes as the church been compromised. And it's like, what is up with this secret like spy you? Unit of the Church of Aggie, they're spies and exorcist is really awesome. And then it worked as an anthology series, where each season was gonna follow a different family and they cancelled it after two seasons. I will never be not pissed about that. But But yeah, what are some of your guys's favorite requels that have come out?
Jacob Davidson:Um, well, to go with the obvious, I've been a big fan of the David Gordon Green Halloween requels. franchise, I really loved Halloween, and I really enjoyed Halloween Kills and looking forward to Halloween ends. And, you know, it was just kind of a distillation of the franchise. And you know, just, you know, even though is a direct continuation from the original Halloween it kind of kept in style with the later ones with just Michael going on people. And I do like the idea that you know that well, the first two movies take place over the course of one Halloween night. And I guess we'll see what happens with Halloween Ends and of course, it's always great to see Jamie Lee Curtis as Laurie. And yeah, yeah, no, I just say I've seen both of them in theaters, and both of them are good. I really like them.
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, I like Halloween. A lot. I wasn't as big a fan of Halloween kills. I thought it just got kind of goofy and the whole, you know, torches and pitchforks thing that they had going, but um,
Jacob Davidson:I like that.
Jonathan Correia:I loved it.
James Jay Edwards:I think Halloween 2018 was terrific and remember the original Halloween one and two all took place over the same Halloween night too. So it's kind of following that so maybe for Halloween kills he'll go completely different and do a Halloween three No. sees another which
Jacob Davidson:surprise
Jonathan Correia:surprise Halloween ends his Season of the Witch part two.
James Jay Edwards:That would have been incredible that would be awesome.
Jonathan Correia:But what about Leprechaun? Because Leprechaun has Oh yeah, I think it got the recoil twice
Jacob Davidson:did was Stevens's damskie Leprechaun Returns that yeah, it was a really good one too.
Jonathan Correia:And then it also got like a remake prequel with Origins.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, that was not as good no.
James Jay Edwards:The other one that was really good that I really loved was Candyman which Oh yeah, it's actually pretty straight ryquell because it pretty much is the same as the first movie but they take the first movies mythology, so it is a sequel because all that first movie shits with Helens actually happened but it's pretty much the same movie it's just you know insert black artists instead of white researcher
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, and it was done fantastically because great it did ignore two and three which I still need to watch three sorry. Day of the Dead I haven't watched your Yeah, even though I own two copies now weirdly. Yeah, but I Yeah, that one was absolutely fantastic and continuing and improving on a lot of the themes and what the first movie was trying to do. And it successfully avoided Candyman becoming like it's candy man was never Freddy Krueger credit Fred. Any man was never a or at least intended to be a Jason Vorhees type character. You know, he had his mythology had his origins all that stuff, but he was more of just the idea of the urban myth and the and mythology that we tell at fires and stuff and so I thought that one was an incredible continuation on those themes, whereas Candy Man two was very much so like, oh, yeah, now Candy Man. It's kind of a slasher you know? Yeah, but
James Jay Edwards:candy man too. I like candy man to the farewell to the flesh because it is um it's almost it's like his origin story. Yeah, you know, and that's why I like that. I don't know that I've seen Day of the Dead myself. I would probably have to like start watching it and then see if I remember it or not. I'm
Jacob Davidson:not was Dave the dead the one in New Orleans.
Jonathan Correia:They both were both sequels were Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:how come Candyman didn't find John Claude Van Damme?
Jonathan Correia:That's the movie Why didn't
James Jay Edwards:you fight chance Bordeaux chanceford what's his name? Daniel. rabbiteye. Let's do
Jacob Davidson:it. Our target Hard Target three Hard Candy Man hard candy man just called
Jonathan Correia:Hard Candy.
Jacob Davidson:Yes.
James Jay Edwards:Wait a minute that movies been made. That is
Jonathan Correia:oh man Hard Candy was great Elliott page. God damn, that was that was a performance. Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:but Come on John Claude Van Damme vs. Candyman,
Jonathan Correia:we need it. We need it. It could happen. That's the next requel.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, no, I was gonna say actually another favorite repo mine was Terminator Dark Fate. You know the one where sericata comes back and you know is interesting because it was post T two and it just kind of was like they they did win and T two but now the timeline is shifted. So now it's this other person is The Sarah Connor and Sarah Connor has to help her. And I don't know Is it okay if I say a spoiler? Yeah, yeah. Is that they team up with Arnold Schwarzenegger is t 800. Again. And yeah, no, just I thought that one was very underrated and did an excellent job in continuing franchise.
James Jay Edwards:I don't think that's really a spoiler. I think that was like the plot of the movie there. That Schwarzenegger's Terminator help them.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. The Spoiler would be revealing how that Terminator came to be in the timeline and like its story. So we avoided the good spoilers, but no dark fate was I saw that opening weekend and IMAX and I was so pissed that it did not do as well as it did because that was hands down the best Terminator anything since T2. Exactly. There's been a lot of Terminator content that has come out since T2 and oh, yeah, this blew it all out of the park. It addressed a lot of the issues with the original mythology. And a lot of people are like, Oh, it's convoluted. It's like first of all time travel is always going to be convoluted because you create rules and you break them constantly. So at least this one had fun with it. And it wasn't afraid to go to places that previous versions work. You know, one aspect of it is very spoilery but what they do with John Connor in Dark Fate is very like you would never do that in the originals. But they did do like really terrible stuff with that like making him a Terminator and like to have the fucking like, previous reboots. That's another series that's been recalled a lot with Genesis and Salvation kind of
Jacob Davidson:and like Terminator three T three.
Jonathan Correia:Was that a recall? Or was that just oh well, no
Jacob Davidson:That was a straight up continuation, but
Jonathan Correia:I don't remember anything from that except the deleted scene where Oh, Schwarzenegger had a terrible southern accent. Oh god, yeah. What do you guys see this trend continuing? Like, do you think that every major horror franchise needs a recall? Well, you know, it's
Jacob Davidson:interesting. I was I've been thinking about a lot lately, and I feel like it's just kind of the nature of, of trends with horror franchises. Because, you know, I'm thinking back, here's how we ended up here, because the original trend in the 80s and 90s was direct to video. And, you know, like, either to control rights or do you know, just because it was cheaper, so many horror franchises ended up with ridiculous amount of horror sequels, usually direct to video or in theaters, or, you know, just keep it ongoing.
Jonathan Correia:So especially Hellraiser was super hilarious. Yeah,
Jacob Davidson:so you know, the, that's the thing. It's like, how, you know, a lot of times it's just you can't really salvage something that's been run into the ground so you got to start fresh. Especially you know, if if it's a franchise has been kind of on pause for a while or you know, it's just got so many ridiculous as sequels. There's nowhere else to go. So I feel like it's it's like the trends are circular. It's like a domino effect or something. So I do think that recalls, especially since they're been decent, most successful ones will be kind of the trend for the immediate future. But you know, what comes after? Who knows?
James Jay Edwards:Speaking of of franchises that have gone off the rails, did you guys see that? There's now an Amityville in Space coming?
Jacob Davidson:Yeah. Oh, my God.
Jonathan Correia:I don't care.
James Jay Edwards:You do. It was coming though.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, I love that. I love the posters just that house in space with like
Jonathan Correia:a menacing face asteroid as its base part. Like yeah,
Jacob Davidson:I mean, that's the thing. Amityville is a loose franchise because just any schmuck can put Amityville in their title because it's copyright free.
James Jay Edwards:Well, that's how we end up with movies like Amityville Island, Amityville shark,
Jacob Davidson:Amityville werewolf.
Jonathan Correia:That's so clever. Amityville movies. They never got better than the haunted item series, though.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, cursed collection.
Jonathan Correia:And then and then the parody? The adult one, which I don't know if we go there on this podcast, but anyways. But I mean, like, it makes sense. There's, like you were touching upon Jacob. There's definitely a fatigue that happens. And then but usually it just turns to a straight remake. So like with the Halloween franchise, you got the fatigue by six. And so they did the requel with H2O where it picks up from two on and you got all that recon, and then you had an immediate fatigue with Halloween Resurrections, which led to the Rob Zombie movies, which again, immediate you know, there was just like an immediate fatigue with the second film it kept happening with that franchise. And so I think 2018 was the way to go. But I don't know if then I get that people are scared to do a straight up remake, especially after the the era of remakes that Texas Chainsaw kicked off with, you know, Friday 13th And Nightmare on Elm Street where well, Friday 13th That's that's a legal battle that's keeping that franchise from coming back. But with Nightmare on Elm Street like it did decent at the box office. But like man didn't get dragged through the mud through the series with
Jacob Davidson:it's a horrible movie. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:it's not great.
James Jay Edwards:He tell it Don't Don't tell me you like that one.
Jonathan Correia:No, no, okay. Um, no. No.
James Jay Edwards:Okay, so we agree on that. Oh, we
Jonathan Correia:we agree on that one. But the but the. But even Friday, the 13th remake was more of like a like a like a reboot of the entire series because that movie felt like the Jason movie that you remember, but never was made. It was like a greatest hits. Almost.
James Jay Edwards:It's almost a remake of parts two and three. Yes. First of all, Jason's the killer spoiler alert for a movie that's 45 years old. Jason's the killer. And he's got the hockey mask. So it's basically the you know, it's a remake of two and three. But I like that Friday, the 13th remake?
Jacob Davidson:Oh, yeah. No, Derek Mears was a fantastic Jason.
Jonathan Correia:Also, My Bloody Valentine 3d was a fantastic, fun time. So I mean, it's it's one of those questions where it's like, does this trend need to keep going? Do you think it should be put in the grave? Like I said before, I'm a huge, huge fan of The Exorcist TV series. And I think that that's the perfect example of doing the ryquell. Right, and that's fully changing the format, fully changing everything and like having that bit of a connection to the original, but for every exorcise the series, there's also Damian, which was the Omen series, which fantastic premise, I want 100% one a shot at redoing that series, but man that execution was who was it? I think it was made for a and II which is like, why is this but also Hannibal Hannibal The series was kind of a kind of And that line two because it was a prequel to Red Dragon, but also incorporated a lot of bits and pieces and storylines from the different books and whatnot. So I honestly think that if they're gonna keep doing requels they we need to continue making TV shows of it. What do you guys think? I could
Jacob Davidson:definitely see TV becoming a trend again, especially with streaming platforms. Yeah. And I know it's hard to gauge because yeah, like basically a lot of these franchises are starting fresh. But now that you mentioned that there's also the Fede Alvarez, standalone Alien movie that was just announced. And on top of that, they're doing that simultaneously with the Noah Halley alien TV show for Hulu. So I do. It does seem like that could be a similar trend for the
James Jay Edwards:Alvarez did The Evil Dead ryquell I guess. remake it? Well, yeah. But I think it takes place in the same universe though. Because
Jonathan Correia:does because of the stinger. Yeah. But it that one, we thought it was a remake. We thought it was over equal. And then at the last second, they're like, Nope, this is just a sequel. We fucked with all of you.
James Jay Edwards:That that's kind of what the exorcist TV show did until Gina Davis shows up and you're like, Okay, now I'm on board.
Jonathan Correia:You mean, what Gina Davis truly shows? Yeah, well, yeah, she's phenomenal in that I could do an entire episode on that series. I'm rewatching it right now. It's so fucking good. But I mean, but yeah, I mean, one of the reasons why I wanted the topic this week to be Texas Chainsaw and requels is because I don't know about you guys. But when I was first announced and saw the trailers and all that, I was like, does this series need it? Like, are we are we at that tipping point, I mean, Scream five just came out and just totally, like, tore apart and, you know, pointed out every trope with recalls going from Star Wars to, you know, the horror franchises. And now that we have TCM doing it, and Halloween, it's like, I know, we have what is it two competing Hellraiser projects coming out soon? Do we have a series and a movie?
James Jay Edwards:Here's what is I think we are going to see a lot of them. And here's why I think Texas Chainsaw Massacre has laid the groundwork because basically, whether people loved it or hated it, they watched it. And it was on Netflix. So Netflix, it was the most watched show on Netflix for that week. And I think I saw somewhere I mean, there were millions and millions of people watched it. And that's all they care about. They don't care about the reviews. They care about eyeballs on the screen. Yeah. So as long as the platforms are going to release them, you know, as long as the Hulu's and the Netflix's and the Amazon Prime's are going to show these shows. And it's unfortunate because they don't, they won't care about the quality, they're just going to care about initial buzz, and then go from there because they you know, they they don't have to worry about making money at the box office, because Netflix stuff is technically free, even though it isn't but people consider it free because they're already paying for Netflix. So they just want the eyeballs on the screen. And that's what buzz gets you
Jonathan Correia:and that's why they just need to get the right people behind it. I mean, Jordan Peele came on very early on to produce Candy Man and then with Child's Play it's a really weird thing of how they had the remake you know happen and then now we have the awesome TV show going on at the same time. I think each franchise needs something different you know, let there be a whole mess of Texas Chainsaw Massacre movies I like it when they that's I like how that series was never consistent and was always weird next generation is like a weird I love it. It's it's it's not it's so TCM too but hey,
James Jay Edwards:okay, I just had a brilliant idea for a TV show. This is like one of the one of those nature one of those you know nature like like a Crocodile Hunter kind of thing. But it's Jaws Jaws TV show where but it shot like a reality show where they're hunting the shark and the shark just ends up just eating the crap out of all of them. Oh yeah, someone make that
Jonathan Correia:I thought I thought you were gonna say like a night of the demon show where it's like they're hunting for like a like an animal but they turns out to be a penis ripping off Sasquatch. Or, or it would be like, it'd be like a Stever Erwin type parody show and then all sudden they encounter the beast the boar from Razorback Razorback. Yeah.
James Jay Edwards:Okay, let's have penis ripping off Sasquatch. Be the final thought for this episode last year. So what are your favorite recalls? What did we miss? What are we not appreciating enough? People tell Correia how he's wrong about the 2000 Chainsaw Massacre. Again, it's more tell me that I'm wrong if it's not your thing,
Jacob Davidson:or tell us that we're all wrong.
James Jay Edwards:Because how boring would the world be if we all have the same opinion? So yeah, yeah, let's What are your favorite Requels? Let's, let's hear it. Our theme music is from Restless Spirits, so you should go and hear them to our artwork is from Chris Fisher. You should treat your eyeballs to some of his art. You can find us on any and all social media platforms. Except I don't think that Correia's made our Grindr yet. But you could use all those and you're gonna find us on iHorror.com, which is the site that we all call home. And yeah, let's call this one episode. So until until the recoil in two weeks.
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